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    It's moronic Monday, your chance to ask any of those lingering questions without fear of harassment. Investing


    It's moronic Monday, your chance to ask any of those lingering questions without fear of harassment.

    Posted: 09 Jul 2018 05:05 AM PDT

    We encourage all our visitors to ask those investing related questions they were always too afraid to ask.

    The members of /r/investing are here to answer and educate!

    NOTE If your question is "I have $10,000, what do I do?" or anything similar. There is no single answer to this question, but we will also need A LOT MORE information if we are to give some sort of answer

    • How old are you?
    • Are you employed/making income? How much?
    • What are your objectives with this money? (buy a house? Retirement savings?)
    • What is your risk tolerance? (Do you mind risking it at blackjack or do you need to know its 100% safe?)
    • What are you current holdings? (Do you already have exposure to specific funds and sectors?)
    • Any other assets? House paid off? Cars? Expensive girlfriend? (not really an asset)
    • What is your time horizon? Do you need this money next month? Next 20yrs?
    • Any big debts?
    • Any other relevant financial information will be useful to give you a proper answer.

    Be aware that these answers are just opinions of Redditors and should be used as a starting point for your research. You should strongly consider seeing a registered financial rep before making any financial decisions!

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    Simple momentum investing via the long-term moving average

    Posted: 09 Jul 2018 12:10 PM PDT

    INTRO

    I have been researching a lot of factor investing techniques, and have come to the conclusion that most of the factors investors use are wastes of time. Most signals lose merit when empirically scrutinized, and those that remain do not seem trustworthy over decade-long investment windows.

    Except for momentum. For some reason simple momentum investing seems to be the one factor that remains consistent YoY, all for the simple reason that companies and economies that have done well in the past will typically continue to perform well in the future, and vice versa.

    X-day moving average (definition): the average closing price of the stock for the past X days. So a 200-day moving average is the average closing price of the fund for the past 200 trading days.

    TECHNIQUE

    Here's a simple method for momentum investing I've devised (IE: shamelessly copied from people smarter than myself):

    1. Once per month look at the moving average of your favorite major stock market index fund (I use Vanguard's $VT) using one of the many free stock statistics sites on the web (like BarChart.com).
    2. If the price of the index fund is above its moving average then invest in it. If the price of index fund is below its moving average then move these funds into safe government bonds.

    That's it!

    DATA

    Momentum trades since 2008 using differing moving averages (MAs) in $VT (Vanguard Total World Stock ETF):

    100-day MA 150-day MA 200-day MA 300-day MA 350-day MA
    BOUGHT May 09 BOUGHT May 09 BOUGHT June 09 BOUGHT Aug 09 BOUGHT Aug 09
    SOLD Feb 10 SOLD June 10 SOLD June 10 SOLD June 10 SOLD June 10
    BOUGHT April 10 BOUGHT Aug 10 BOUGHT Aug 10 BOUGHT Aug 10 BOUGHT Aug 10
    SOLD June 10 SOLD Sept 10 SOLD Sept 10 SOLD Sept 11 SOLD Sept 11
    BOUGHT Aug 10 BOUGHT Oct 10 BOUGHT Oct 10 BOUGHT March 12 BOUGHT March 12
    SOLD Aug 11 SOLD Aug 11 SOLD Aug 11 SOLD June 12 SOLD June 12
    BOUGHT Jan 12 BOUGHT Feb 12 BOUGHT Feb 12 BOUGHT Aug 12 BOUGHT Sep 12
    SOLD June 12 SOLD June 12 SOLD June 12 SOLD Jan 15 SOLD Sept 15
    BOUGHT Sept 12 BOUGHT July 12 BOUGHT July 12 BOUGHT March 15 BOUGHT August 16
    SOLD July 13 SOLD Feb 14 SOLD Oct 14 SOLD August 15
    BOUGHT Aug 13 BOUGHT March 14 BOUGHT Nov 14 BOUGHT August 16
    SOLD Feb 14 SOLD Oct 14 SOLD Jan 15
    BOUGHT March 14 BOUGHT Dec 14 BOUGHT March 15
    SOLD Oct 14 SOLD Jan 15 SOLD Aug 15
    BOUGHT Dec 14 BOUGHT March 15 BOUGHT May 16
    SOLD Jan 15 SOLD July 15 SOLD April 18
    BOUGHT March 15 BOUGHT April 16 BOUGHT May 18
    SOLD July 15 SOLD Nov 16 SOLD July 18
    BOUGHT Nov 15 BOUGHT Dec 16
    SOLD Jan 16 SOLD April 18
    BOUGHT April 16 BOUGHT June 18
    SOLD Nov 16 SOLD JULY 18
    BOUGHT Jan 17
    SOLD March 18
    Total trades: 24 22 18 11 9
    Trades per year: 2.7 2.4 2 1.2 1

    BACKTEST

    Here's how the 300-day MA would have performed against buy and hold for $SPY: https://dailyreckoning.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/5/files/2012/11/DRUS11-13-12-1.png (source). That's a 15-year return of 74.3%, almost double the return of simply buying and holding the S&P 500. BUT this return % does not consider taxes (see observation #6 below).

    OBSERVATIONS

    1. This technique is wonderful for avoiding massive drops to the stock market while still being invested in the majority of its gains. Imagine being completely in stocks in 2017, but completely out of stocks during the entirety of 2008!
    2. It's pretty low maintenance. On average, the 200-day MA of $VT trades just 2 times/year!
    3. The longer used MA, the less risk/reward/work. The slower the MA is to respond to trend changes. So you're talking about less return and lower volatility. Example: when the global stock market tanked in late 2015, the 300-day moving average would have safely moved to bonds in August. In contrast, the 350-day moving average would have waited to sell until September, a month later, meaning an entire extra month of losses vs the 300-day.
    4. The shorter used MA, the more risk/reward/work. For the 100-day moving average of $VT, the number of trades since the 2008 crash balloons to 24, an average of 2.7 per year, with many years having 4 trades per year. And a lot of those trades are whipsawed trades when the market is really moving sideways, making you do a bunch of work that really isn't necessary, and some of those trades mean moving out of the market when it's going up, missing out on a bunch of gains.
    5. The data above seems to show the sweet spot is 200 trading days (200-day MA). This seems to be a somewhat decent spot to grab the trend when it changes, but to not get too chopped up when the market spends a season moving sideways.
    6. Taxes are the one factor here which makes this approach earn less money than buy and hold. You're trading at least once almost every year here, so you're almost always going to be paying short-term capital gains tax, which is a pretty big hit to your overall return. That said, a few years (2013, 2017) are trade-free, so you have the occasional long term cap gains trade.
    7. Because of tax inefficiency, buy and hold does seem the ideal approach for maximum profit. However, buy and hold does this by leaning on your emotions. In the 2008 stock market crash you would have experienced single digit losses with a 200-day MA approach. Compare this to buy and hold with its 50% drawdown (intra year). Imagine the wonderful feeling of being 100% in government bonds while everybody else is covering themselves in sackcloth and ashes and going through marital stress.
    8. The bond allocation is probably going to be $VGIT, Vanguard's intermediate term government bond ETF.

    CONCLUSION

    I don't think I'll use this approach as my main investment, since it doesn't take advantage of long-term capital gains tax rates, and thus has a lower overall return compared to simply buying and holding. However, I am strongly considering this as a major part of my overall portfolio. Perhaps 40% of my entire stock allocation. So that would be 40% momentum investing via the 200-day MA of $VT, and 60% in my regular buy and hold in index funds. [Note: I'm young and still have many decades of earning potential.]

    TL;DR: Momentum investing with major index funds is simple, requiring about 2 trades per year. Once per month (no more! no less!) look at your favorite major index fund. If the 200-day moving average is below the fund's price, be 100% invested in it. If the 200-day moving average is above the current price, safely move this allocation into 100% bonds. Stick to your rule! In doing so, you will enjoy healthy stock returns while avoiding the majority of market crashes, sleeping better at night during major market turmoil.

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    Tencent music IPO listing in the US

    Posted: 10 Jul 2018 01:29 AM PDT

    This has the potential for a lot of growth It has around 600 million users, although only about 15 million of them are paying subscribers.

    Sounds similar to developed countries 10 years ago where piracy was big but eventually people are prepared to pay a little for legit music and easy access they will do that especially as China's middle class grows.

    Real potential to become similar to Spotify but with a huge population. They own QQ Music, KuGou and Kuwo.

    Source

    https://money.cnn.com/2018/07/09/technology/tencent-music-ipo-us/index.html

    Edit: Added source

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    Paper Straw Revolution

    Posted: 09 Jul 2018 11:53 AM PDT

    Starbucks just announced they're moving away from plastic straws. Paper straws are a growing trend. Are there any public companies that would be good plays to take advantage of the paper straw revolution?

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    Vanguard Prime Cap? It seems too good to be true, is it?

    Posted: 09 Jul 2018 10:34 PM PDT

    I was looking specific Vanguard ETFs trying to find which version of the S&P 500 I was going to buy when I found this prime cap (VPMCX)

    It's returns are phenomenal for the past 30 years (almost always outperforming S&P 500) and it's fee is only 0.4% Is there something like a catch to this that i'm missing

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    What portfolio changes do you make when we enter a bear market?

    Posted: 09 Jul 2018 10:44 PM PDT

    Let's say we enter a bear market next month with a -20% drop and no bounce back. What changes would you make to your portfolio (and what's your age/risk tolerance)

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    Morning Highlights

    Posted: 10 Jul 2018 04:18 AM PDT

    • Europe Stocks higher on with most of the region trading with lighter volume Euro Stoxx +0.25%, FTSE 100 +0.29%, CAC 40 +0.53%, DAX +0.21\%
    • Asia Stocks rally for the second day in a row – investors taking a break from worrying about the US China Trade War
    • USD$ $DXY up by +0.24\% and precious metals are lower in a risk on mood in the global markets. WTI Brent up higher by +0.57\% and +1.24\% respectively
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    Daily advice thread. All questions about your personal situation should be asked here

    Posted: 10 Jul 2018 05:05 AM PDT

    If your question is "I have $10,000, what do I do?" or anything similar. There is no single answer to this question, but we will also need A LOT MORE information if we are to give some sort of answer

    • How old are you?
    • Are you employed/making income? How much?
    • What are your objectives with this money? (buy a house? Retirement savings?)
    • What is your risk tolerance? (Do you mind risking it at blackjack or do you need to know its 100% safe?)
    • What are you current holdings? (Do you already have exposure to specific funds and sectors?)
    • Any other assets? House paid off? Cars? Expensive girlfriend? (not really an asset)
    • What is your time horizon? Do you need this money next month? Next 20yrs?
    • Any big debts?
    • Any other relevant financial information will be useful to give you a proper answer.

    Be aware that these answers are just opinions of Redditors and should be used as a starting point for your research. You should strongly consider seeing a registered financial rep before making any financial decisions!

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    Someone explain Netflix’s valuation to me

    Posted: 09 Jul 2018 08:25 AM PDT

    Unless they monetize their viewing habits data by selling it to outside content creators, I don't see how they could ever justify even close to the valuation they currently have.

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    What are your thoughts on CAT? It corrected ~ 20% and I would like to find an article that explains why?

    Posted: 10 Jul 2018 04:48 AM PDT

    Any advice on buying CAT?

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    How does O have a sustainable business model?

    Posted: 09 Jul 2018 07:35 PM PDT

    I have been looking at a REIT for my IRA account. It looks like O is diluting shares every quarter to fund their dividend. What is the end game with this strategy? Why not leave the dilution alone, cut dividend in half and slowly raise their dividend over time like most other companies? Is it tied to the opportunity to invest the money they get for dilution into more investments? Thank you for the advice.

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    Why would anyony buy BAM over BAM.A (If they had the choice?)

    Posted: 09 Jul 2018 07:07 PM PDT

    Assuming you have access to the Canadian market, which doesn't seem too difficult since I have access and I am British living in Asia. I would imagine most American brokers would offer access.

    Why would anyone choose BAM over BAM.A? Since 2003, they have performed 643% and 1012%, respectively. Such a huge difference. Basically same dividend.

    Likewise with CNI and CNR, who have performed 1576% and 2473%, since 1997.

    With such huge differences, it seems like a no brainer.

    Is it a tax thing?

    Edit: I understand there is currency conversion involved aswell, but surely the better performance negates that.

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    SBUX DCF Valuation

    Posted: 09 Jul 2018 04:42 PM PDT

    Hi all, just looking for someone to sanity check my back of the napkin DCF valuation on SBUX.

    I ran a 10 year DCF using the following assumptions:

    -Sales grow 10% next year, and decrease at .5% each year for 10 years (5% growth in 2028)

    -Terminal g = 3%

    -WACC = 7%

    -FCF = 12.75% of sales (I noted that CapEx roughly equals D&A so they basically cancel out so I've made FCF = 98% of projected net income)

    -Subtracted liabilities and added cash and equivalents.

    Long story short, I've come to an equity market cap PV of 99B. SBUX is currently at 68.8B. Curious what anyone else comes to when doing their own assessment.

    Lets say that 99B is a good estimate of the companies true PV. Do you think it is a good buy today, or will it take 10 years to really reach that level before treading water at its fully mature value? If it will take 10 years to make 45% thats only about 3.78% per year, a horrible return.

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    Voting Rights

    Posted: 09 Jul 2018 12:05 PM PDT

    Hey everyone,

    I was just wondering if voting rights were that important in companies with dual-class shares... If the insiders hold the vast majority of the voting rights, what's the point of holding a minority voting power in second-class shares? I see GOOG stock is trading at an attractive discount and I feel like I should sell GOOGL (Class A) to get GOOG (Class C), is the voting right worth holding on to in a multi-class share system and if so, then why is that?

    Thanks

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    401k loan to hedge against market crash?

    Posted: 09 Jul 2018 08:29 PM PDT

    Looking for an educated explanation. Let's say I have been making great returns on my 401k and I sense a market crash. If I take the balance out as a loan is it safe from the crash? Are their rules around this activity? And finally why is it a good or bad move?

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    What do you guys think of Turkey's economy?

    Posted: 09 Jul 2018 03:17 PM PDT

    How likely is full-on crisis? Is it an opportunity to get in government bonds cheap, or it's a very bad idea?

    Concerns:

    • Recently moved from parliamentary democracy to autocracy
    • President (no formal economy education) controls the monetary policy. He assigned his son in law as economy minister.
    • Western investors feel unsafe due to lack of independent courts
    • Syrian refugees costing government a lot
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    What are my retirement account options?

    Posted: 09 Jul 2018 03:28 PM PDT

    I have three sources of income and have equity in all 3.

    The first is taxed as an S Corp, so I am paid on W-2 and then owners dividends. There are two other employees other than myself.

    The second is an LLC but I receive a draw plus dividends when they come.

    The third is just starting so there are no payments yet but eventually we will do owners dividends. It is structured as a straight up LLC like #2 above.

    I always thought my options were limited to just an IRA capped at $5500 because I can't do a solo 401(k) but I also can't do a SEP-IRA without other employees being affected. Are there any other options for pre-tax?

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    What are your opinions stock pick subscription services?

    Posted: 09 Jul 2018 11:59 PM PDT

    I'm considering subscribing to a service something along the lines of the Motley fool or Zacks. I'd like to know if any of you use this type of service. Or would care to comment. I'm on the side of them not being very useful but it's something I've found intriguing lately.

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    Is the market ignoring the trade war temporarily or permanently?

    Posted: 09 Jul 2018 04:56 AM PDT

    I'm sitting on 70% cash waiting to buy the dip when tariffs come into effect on July 6th. However, the markets seemed to have already been priced in. Is anyone still sitting on cash waiting for a dip or is it time to buy now? - If that is, it even dips.

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    YRD - Yirendai 7-9-18

    Posted: 09 Jul 2018 08:59 AM PDT

    I'm trying to figure out why YRD is trading at $22.37 from $51, does anyone have any insights?

    Quarter Earnings per Share

    Mar2018 1.72

    Dec2017 1.11

    Sep2017 0.74

    Jun2017 0.66

    Earnings Per Share is on a dramatic scaling rise. The company has zero debt and they earn money. I do understand there is a current stigma against Chinese stocks right now because of the trade war but would it be fair to consider it mostly priced in at this point? Is there concern about how loans are being issued?

    Basically I'm just looking at it scratching my head trying to figure out how a company that posts 6.35% profit per share in a single quarter appears to have fallen so far and I'm wondering if there is a factor that I'm not looking at.

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    Warren Buffet Bond Valuation?

    Posted: 09 Jul 2018 07:36 AM PDT

    Not sure what to make of this from Buffett's letter to shareholders:

    "Originally, Protégé and I each funded our portion of the ultimate $1 million prize by purchasing $500,000 face amount of zero-coupon U.S. Treasury bonds (sometimes called "strips"). These bonds cost each of us $318,250 – a bit less than 64¢ on the dollar – with the $500,000 payable in ten years. As the name implies, the bonds we acquired paid no interest, but (because of the discount at which they were purchased) delivered a 4.56% annual return if held to maturity. Protégé and I originally intended to do no more than tally the annual returns and distribute $1 million to the winning charity when the bonds matured late in 2017. 12 After our purchase, however, some very strange things took place in the bond market. By November 2012, our bonds – now with about five years to go before they matured – were selling for 95.7% of their face value. At that price, their annual yield to maturity was less than 1%. Or, to be precise, .88%"

    Isn't the amount earned at maturity fixed? I assume the bond has already been purchased, so why would the selling percentage relative to face value matter any more- the $500,000 gain has already been guaranteed?

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    Daily advice thread. All questions about your personal situation should be asked here

    Posted: 09 Jul 2018 05:05 AM PDT

    If your question is "I have $10,000, what do I do?" or anything similar. There is no single answer to this question, but we will also need A LOT MORE information if we are to give some sort of answer

    • How old are you?
    • Are you employed/making income? How much?
    • What are your objectives with this money? (buy a house? Retirement savings?)
    • What is your risk tolerance? (Do you mind risking it at blackjack or do you need to know its 100% safe?)
    • What are you current holdings? (Do you already have exposure to specific funds and sectors?)
    • Any other assets? House paid off? Cars? Expensive girlfriend? (not really an asset)
    • What is your time horizon? Do you need this money next month? Next 20yrs?
    • Any big debts?
    • Any other relevant financial information will be useful to give you a proper answer.

    Be aware that these answers are just opinions of Redditors and should be used as a starting point for your research. You should strongly consider seeing a registered financial rep before making any financial decisions!

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    Does trading through robinhood effect trade execution?

    Posted: 09 Jul 2018 06:53 AM PDT

    Let's say I put in a limit sell order on SPY for 280 and make the order good until cancel is this order any different than if I placed it on Thinkorswim or vanguard?

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    What is the difference between an Unleveraged CFD and a Stock?

    Posted: 09 Jul 2018 07:15 AM PDT

    I understand that when buying a CFD you do not own the asset, and that the main advantages of buying CFDs is that you can buy them on margin for considerable gains/losses. However, some brokers only offer unleveraged CFDS. In this case, am I correct in assuming that the profit potential between stocks and these CFDs is identical?

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