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    Financial Independence Weekly “Help Me FIRE!” thread. Post your detailed information for highly specific advice. - December 07, 2020

    Financial Independence Weekly “Help Me FIRE!” thread. Post your detailed information for highly specific advice. - December 07, 2020


    Weekly “Help Me FIRE!” thread. Post your detailed information for highly specific advice. - December 07, 2020

    Posted: 06 Dec 2020 10:08 PM PST

    Need help applying broader FIRE principles to your own situation? We're here for you!

    Post your detailed personal "case study" and ask as many questions as you like, or help others who've done the same. Not sure if your questions pertain? Post them anyway…you might be surprised.

    It'll be helpful to use our suggested format. Simply copy/paste/fill in/etc. But since everybody's situation is different, feel free to tailor your layout to your needs.

    -Introduce yourself

    -Age / Industry / Location

    -General goals

    -Target FIRE Age / Amount / Withdrawal Rate / Location

    -Educational background and plans

    -Career situation and plans

    -Current and future income breakdown, including one-time events

    -Budget breakdown

    -Asset breakdown, including home, cars, etc.

    -Debt breakdown

    -Health concerns

    -Family: current situation / future plans / special needs / elderly parents

    -Other info

    -Questions?

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    Daily FI discussion thread - December 07, 2020

    Posted: 07 Dec 2020 12:10 AM PST

    Please use this thread to have discussions which you don't feel warrant a new post to the sub. While the Rules for posting questions on the basics of personal finance/investing topics are relaxed a little bit here, the rules against memes/spam/self-promotion/excessive rudeness/politics still apply!

    Have a look at the FAQ for this subreddit before posting to see if your question is frequently asked.

    Since this post does tend to get busy, consider sorting the comments by "new" (instead of "best" or "top") to see the newest posts.

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    [UPDATE] $500k the boring way

    Posted: 07 Dec 2020 07:37 AM PST

    This is an update of my previous post, "$250k the boring way" and my original post, "$100k the boring way". I'll recap as best I can but all the details are in those if you're interested.

    Summary

    Reached $500k (now $600k, sorry I'm lazy) net worth from a starting point less than -$100k in about 8 years mostly through consistent saving. Net worth chart included below. All salary numbers are gross.

    Quick Recap that keeps getting longer am I getting old

    My wife and I are both 32 and live in the Pacific Northwest. We met when we were 24 and I estimate at the time that we had a combined net worth of close to -$120k. I'm an engineer (EE) and my wife is a public school employee.

    On our journey to $250k net worth we:

    • Both got graduate degrees.
    • Found new jobs and moved from Midwest to PNW to be closer to family.
    • Progressed our careers and salaries: $67k to $116k for me and $54k to $80k for my wife.
    • Had a baby and wife took some unpaid time.
    • Bought a house

    Updates

    Second half of 2019: Nothing really happened financially but we did take a family vacay to NZ and Fiji for 2 weeks. Somehow made it work taking a 1.5 year old halfway across the world and can't say enough about how much I would recommend both places. Can't say it was always relaxing but I would do it again. Also found out we were going to be having another baby.

    In the last update my job had just added on-call pay. I ended up with about $5k of this bringing me to $121k total compensation.

    2020: Our son was born in early March right as the pandemic was lifting off. I still haven't decided if this was a great time to have a baby or a horrible time. Financially, our timing was (purposely) a lot better with the school schedule and combined with a new maternity leave policy at my wife's job, she didn't have to take any unpaid leave this time around.

    At my job, I got another 5% merit raise plus COLA increase bringing me to my current base salary of $126k. Looks like I'm on track for another $5k of on-call pay on top of that. My company went all remote so I haven't been back to the office since the day my wife went into labor. I'm liking the work from home situation a lot and expect that I will be WFH at least 2 days a week once the office is open again.

    We refinanced our house in the spring from a 30yr 4.5% down to a 20yr 3.25% loan which increased our monthly payment but saves us an estimated $120k over the life of the loan, so that's nice. I'm actually working on another refi right now to get down to 20yr 2.875% to save an additional $30k. I imagine I'll call it good here but hey you never know.

    This fall when school resumed, we made the decision to drop my wife down to part-time. This has been our plan from the beginning: work 5 years to qualify for the Teacher Loan Forgiveness program and then go to just 3 days a week in order to have more time for family but still accrue full years towards the pension.

    On that note, we applied for the Teacher Loan Forgiveness program in June as soon as my wife's 5th year had ended. Our application was rejected by our servicer Nelnet 3 times before being sent on to the Dept. of Education in September. It was a very slow and frustrating process but ultimately was worth the hard work, as we found out just last week that it was approved and $17.5k was instantly removed from our balance. I got a lot of questions on this program last time - all the details can be found here. We have just $10k of loans left now that we will let sit there until they start accruing interest again or are forgiven by the new administration.

    Chart

    Here is our financial journey summed up in one line. It's definitely starting to look like more of a curve now. The inflection points that used to stand out just kind of look like noise now, so here are the relevant dates in list form:

    1. 7/2/15 began tracking net worth.
    2. 3/29/16 crossed $0! We are worthless!
    3. 5/24/17 crossed $100k net worth.
    4. 8/10/18 crossed $200k net worth.
    5. 6/11/19 crossed $300k net worth.
    6. 1/17/20 crossed $400k net worth.
    7. 8/25/20 crossed $500k net worth.
    8. 12/3/20 crossed $600k net worth.

    Current Finances

    • $90k e-fund, $5k in an HSA.
    • $326k of investments, mostly lazy index 3-fund portfolio.
    • $189k equity in our home
    • -$10k of student loans remaining
    • Current savings rate is down to 40% from 45% one baby and 55% no babies.
    • Monthly expenses have gone up quite a bit, looking like our budget is about $7k which seems crazy to me. Luckily daycare isn't forever I guess.

    Thoughts

    Salary

    I mentioned in my last update that I was closing in on the salary cap in my current position. At the end of this upcoming January I will get like a 1% raise and be maxed in my band. Unfortunately to go higher means I would likely need to take on a supervisory role, and I'm not sure yet if that's something I want. I've been doing all the required trainings for that just in case but I really like the position I'm in now so no rush I think.

    Now What

    Student loans are what initially set me down this path of aggressively saving and investing. For 8 years now they have weighed on me, sometimes heavily (and that's even with knowing that our career choices meant we would be okay and get them paid off eventually). The loan forgiveness was something we carefully planned for. It's definitely a weird feeling to be essentially student debt-free after pouring so much time, money and energy into dealing with them. Luckily I can fill this void with a very long to-do list.

    Near term, I need to put a priority on making a will for us and making sure all of the stuff related to that is in order. Along those same lines I'd like to get some extra life insurance going besides just the basic coverage we get from work automatically. Still haven't put a lot of thought into our strategy for saving for college. We are likely buying a minivan (please give me all your minivan tips and recommendations) in the next couple months. Longer term, we have started talking about what a home upgrade might look like for us.

    The End

    My third update (at least to me) seems even more boring than ever. Having a new baby and navigating the pandemic at the same time meant that in the past 9 months I really haven't had much time or energy to think about saving, spending, or retirement so it all just sort of happened on its own. Before preparing to make this update I hadn't logged in to categorize our transactions since June which is crazy for me. I basically stopped coming to this sub vs being a daily reader. I'm most definitely in "the boring middle" now.

    In the last update I had said "The financial peace of mind is extremely valuable to us as we navigate the wonderful and scary world of parenting". Well since then, we doubled down on the parenting and added a global pandemic on top. We are extremely fortunate to still have our jobs and our health, and I don't take that for granted. To not really "worry" about money during this time is a luxury to be sure, but one that we worked hard for.

    Thanks for reading, everyone. Back to saving now. See you at the $1M update!

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    [Milestone] My path to $750K NW as a 27F non-engineer

    Posted: 07 Dec 2020 02:51 PM PST

    Hi all - I was very hesitant about making this post because (a) it felt braggy, and (b) I'm wary of having too much personal info, even if anonymous, out there on the internet.

    But what pushed me do it was seeing yet another casually sexist comment on /r/personalfinance about girlfriends taking your money. I'm tired of generalizations (especially in places where the demographics skew male, like finance subreddits) about women being obstacles to a man's FI journey at best, or high-maintenance gold-diggers at worst. So I feel obligated to be a visible example of a FI-minded woman, and to add another female voice to the FI conversation.

    TL,DR:

    • Super fortunate in many ways. Graduated debt-free from a top school
    • Investment banking → tech (but non-engineer)
    • >60% savings rate in a VVHCOL city - live comfortably but intentional about spending
    • 5 years after graduation: $750K net worth (~$300K in post-tax Roth retirement accounts), and total annual comp of ~$275K (excl equity)
    • Net worth growth came both from increasing income (switching companies, getting promoted) and from healthy investment returns throughout

    Net worth over time chart

    Summary table of income and net worth over time

    Note that the years aren't totally representative of my actual annual incomes because job transitions and promotions have tended to happen in the middle of year.

    My story

    • I was super lucky, in a lot of ways. I had a middle-class upbringing but my immigrant parents both worked full-time and taught me the value of education and of saving money early on. We always spent below our means.
    • My upbringing and debt-free education = single biggest driver of my financial success thus far. My parents also paid for my college education so I graduated debt-free from a top university (one of Harvard/Yale/Princeton/Stanford). I amassed a small starting stash of ~$20K by graduation from working paid internships during every college summer (and investing my savings).
    • I started my career in investment banking, then transitioned into corporate strategy at tech companies. Initially I took a pay cut in leaving finance, but have since grown my income comfortably - and it was worth it solely for the higher quality of life (i.e. not working 80 hours/week in a soul-crushing grind, surrounded by very rich yet deeply unhappy people, adding little discernible value to society).
    • I currently live very comfortably in a VHCOL city. I eat well, take plenty of vacations, rent a nice apartment, buy myself small luxuries, etc. - but am intentional about spending my money where I feel it most improves my wellbeing.
    • My savings rate is currently >60%, which includes maxing out retirement contributions. I acknowledge this is also only possible because I'm young and don't have any dependents yet (my boyfriend is a software engineer and does fine, though I'm proud my income/NW are higher than his) - if I have kids in this city in the near future, my expenses will definitely skyrocket.

    On investing

    • Investing has been a major driver of my net worth growth: ~$275K of the $750K NW is from investment gains made over the last 5 years.
    • I've invested all of my extra money (excluding 6 months emergency savings / small amount in checking) since I was in high school.
    • Passive investing is objectively the best approach for the vast majority of people. About ⅔ of my net worth is passively invested in diversified low-fee index funds / ETFs.
    • However, I enjoy active investing and doing the research, so about ⅓ of my NW is invested in individual stocks. My actively invested portfolio has made substantial returns over the last 5 years thanks to several investments that have doubled, tripled, up to 9x'd - like NVDA, NVCR, SQ, TWLO, CRM, etc. Given that I'm young and have a very long investing horizon, I'm okay with having a somewhat higher level of risk in my portfolio from these individual stocks.
    • I also basically never sell my investments - have never tried to time the market, never sold because I thought it was about to crash, etc. It's worked out pretty well for me, with my 5Y annualized return beating all market indices in the same time period - time will tell if that'll continue to be true.

    Reflecting / looking ahead

    • My target milestone is to hit $1M net worth by 30, which looks quite feasible at my current income and assuming my portfolio/the market doesn't tank in the next 2 years.
    • Getting to the first $100K really is the hardest - it just keeps snowballing from there, and your NW increases faster and faster... I only made a post about hitting $500K ~4 months ago!
    • I don't count illiquid equity in any of my projections. Even though it might turn into a big payday if my current company goes public, for now, I treat it as imaginary money. (If it does become liquid, then my path to FI will accelerate substantially, given I have high six figures in nominal equity value, both vested/unvested.)
    • $2.5M is my fat-FI number, but I'll probably keep working after I hit that. But who knows - if I get married / start a family / have kids, maybe my priorities will change.
    • Leaving finance for tech was a big leap for me, in part because staying in finance was the path of least resistance / most prestige / highest comp. I could have left my top-tier investment banking job for a role in private equity / hedge funds / venture capital instead, and been making $300K+ comp as a 24-year-old (as many of my banking peers did). Taking a pay cut to go to a startup felt risky and uncomfortable at the time -- but I have no regrets, looking back. Leaving finance made me happier, healthier, and a better and more interesting person; even if it also meant a slightly longer path to hit NW milestones, I'm still doing just fine. The tradeoffs were more than worth it.

    If folks have other questions, happy to answer them. I've mostly lurked on this community but appreciate the helpful info & discussion I've read here, so happy to try to contribute in turn.

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    Health Insurance

    Posted: 06 Dec 2020 07:21 PM PST

    We are a 50F and 48 M year old couple who are both engineers with a 9 year old. We are rapidly approaching the point at which we could consider different choices in life than working 40-50 hours per week. The thing that I find most intimidating us about leaving our jobs is health insurance. I've always had health insurance from an employer. What are the best things we could do to manage our health insurance needs ? We can likely handle the risk of a higher deductible policy.

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    Those that have made it, what are you best at? Making $, Reducing your expenses, or Investing your $.

    Posted: 06 Dec 2020 08:43 PM PST

    Those are the three key aspects of your journey to FI.

    On a one to ten, how did you accumulate your FI?

    For me, I made a very good salary at a big fortune 1000 company. I was pretty good at reducing my expenses ... held onto cars for 10 years, drank cheap beer, etc. However, I think I'm excellent at investing, using the right instruments (401K, IRA Roths, etc), researching safe investments, etc.

    Making $ -- 7

    Reducing Expenses -- 6

    Investing $ -- 9

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    Weekly FI Monday Milestone thread - December 07, 2020

    Posted: 07 Dec 2020 12:10 AM PST

    Please use this thread to post your milestones, humblebrags and status updates which you don't feel warrant a new post to the sub. While the Rules for posting questions on the basics of personal finance/investing topics are relaxed a little bit here, the rules against memes/spam/self-promotion/excessive rudeness/politics still apply!

    Since this post does tend to get busy, consider sorting the comments by "new" (instead of "best" or "top") to see the newest posts.

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    If you can work remotely from anywhere in the world. Where would you choose to live?

    Posted: 07 Dec 2020 02:34 PM PST

    Got inspired by the post about remote work in the us. So if you can work from anywhere in the world. What place would you choose? A place that is good for working towards fire and have a good quality of life. My picks would be Chiang mai Thailand, Cebu In the Philippines, Lisbon Portugal, Tallinn Estonia. Somewhere in Mexico might be good or eastern europe.

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