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    r/Stocks Daily Discussion & Fundamentals Friday Jan 14, 2022

    Posted: 14 Jan 2022 02:30 AM PST

    This is the daily discussion, so anything stocks related is fine, but the theme for today is on fundamentals, but if fundamentals aren't your thing then just ignore the theme and/or post your arguments against fundamentals here and not in the current post.

    Some helpful day to day links, including news:


    Most fundamentals are updated every 3 months due to the fact that corporations release earnings reports every quarter, so traders are always speculating at what those earnings will say, and investors may change the size of their holdings based on those reports. Expect a lot of volatility around earnings, but it usually doesn't matter if you're holding long term, but keep in mind the importance of earnings reports because a trend of declining earnings or a decline in some other fundamental will drive the stock down over the long term as well.

    See the following word cloud and click through for the wiki:

    Market Cap - Shares Outstanding - Volume - Dividend - EPS - P/E Ratio - EPS Q/Q - PEG - Sales Q/Q - Return on Assets (ROA) - Return on Equity (ROE) - BETA - SMA - quarterly earnings

    If you have a basic question, for example "what is EBITDA," then google "investopedia EBITDA" and click the Investopedia article on it; do this for everything until you have a more in depth question or just want to share what you learned.

    Useful links:

    See our past daily discussions here. Also links for: Technicals Tuesday, Options Trading Thursday, and Fundamentals Friday.

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    I messed up bad

    Posted: 13 Jan 2022 04:52 PM PST

    I'm down heavily on some of my investments. I invested in MTCH at $160 (now $123), Robinhood at $50 (now $14), Affirm at $109 (now $72), Farfetch at $45 (now $27) and some other smaller investments that are also running me a loss.

    I can't believe I gave into the hype. Looking back at the time of my investments, all these stocks were trading at ~80-90 their earnings and they're all undergoing correction now. Some of them have lost half (if not more) of their value and it'll take decades for them to recover.

    I do have some investments that are doing really well and keeping me afloat, but I now understand the importance of the three fund portfolio, or just investing in index funds.

    I'll keep coming back to this post every time we enter a new bubble, just to discipline myself and not get carried away by the noise.

    EDIT: finished work and read through the comments and there seems to be some confusion around the PE I mentioned. I meant [80, 90] (x = variable). If the PE was around 8~9, that'll make it a good bet and I probably wouldn't have written this.

    EDIT 2: Wow, lots of great advice in the comments. I really didn't expect this post to garner so much attention, but I'm thankful for all the learnings shared in the comments. I'm 26 years old and this is my third year investing. I think this fiasco was a blessing in disguise. In my first two years of investing, everything was in the green. I felt I could do no wrong and I've found the cheat code to grow my money. I've learned my lesson the hard way but I'm still young and I'd rather lose some money now than 10 years later when I have more responsibilities.

    And for those asking, I have around $230k invested in the market (apart from a Vanguard 401k, but I don't ever look at that) and my losses accrue to $65k in total. Overall, I'm still in the green but barely. Hoping to DCA more into QQQ (I work in tech so I understand Nasdaq 100 much better) and get the numbers up.

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    Why did SPY drop today so much? Wasn't inflation news priced in yesterday?

    Posted: 13 Jan 2022 02:04 PM PST

    I feel like everyone knew it will fall hard today because there wasn't much whipsaw at the open. I read every possible news before the market open and managed to miss. Is there any rationale behind todays drop and how to predict it in the future?

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    Josh Hawley and Jon Ossoff offer bills to end stock trading by members of Congress

    Posted: 12 Jan 2022 07:44 PM PST

    Republican Sen. Josh Hawley of Missouri and Democratic Sen. Jon Ossoff of Georgia are introducing competing bills to end stock-trading by members of Congress.

    A key difference between the proposals is reportedly that Ossoff's bill includes dependent children — who may have access to the same privileged information as their lawmaking parent — while Hawley's does not. The two also differ on the enforcement mechanism.

    Violators of Ossoff and Kelly's bill would be fined the entirety of their congressional salaries. The freshman senator narrowly defeated former Sen. David Perdue last year amid the Georgia Republican's own stock-trading scandal.

    On the other hand, Hawley's bill would require violators to forfeit any profits gained from stock-trading directly to the US Treasury.

    Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/josh-hawley-jon-ossoff-introduce-dueling-stock-trading-bans-2022-1?amp

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    Coming into an inheritance of $100K, what should I do with it?

    Posted: 13 Jan 2022 07:52 PM PST

    I'm a fairly new investor, I have about $15K in the market already but I've never really managed funds like this. I've heard the term compound interest, and don't let it sit in a savings account. Open to suggestions. Don't have any debts, and am fairly young.

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    Arkk vs nasdaq 11 month ago and now

    Posted: 13 Jan 2022 06:34 PM PST

    https://twitter.com/awealthofcs/status/1481737137351540736?s=20

    If you were early -- really, anytime prior to 2021 -- she did make you a ton of money.

    But a May 2021 Barron's column noted "The majority of the inflows into the ETF have come in the last 9 months;" past 12 months $ARKK is down 43.2%.

    Reversion to the mean is a bitch , be careful chasing hot managers AFTER significant outperformance

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    Here is a Market Recap for today Thursday, January 13, 2022. Rough one today...

    Posted: 13 Jan 2022 02:23 PM PST

    PsychoMarket Recap - Thursday, January 13, 2022

    Volatility resumed in the markets after a brief two-day rally, as market participants digested new weekly unemployment data and the monthly CPI and PPI reports, which showed the fastest pace of inflation in decades.

    Markets Today

    • S&P 500 (SPY): -1.38%
    • Nasdaq (QQQ): -2.50%
    • Dow Jones (DIA): -0.48%
    • Russell 2000 (IWM): -0.92%
    • Volatility Index (VIX): +15.27%
    • Tesla (TSLA): -6.75%
    • NVIDIA (NVDA): -5.27%
    • Microsoft (MSFT): -4.23%
    • Shopify (SHOP): -8.93%
    • Taiwan Semiconductors (TSM): +5.31%
    • Cloudflare (NET): -13.35%
    • Alibaba (BABA): -4.92%

    The Labor Department's weekly unemployment report showed an unexpected rise in first-time filings, with new unemployment claims rising to 230,000 from 207,000 last week. Still, new filings remain near pre-pandemic levels. Continuing jobless claims improved to their lowest level since 1973. Here are the numbers:

    • Initial jobless claims: 230,000 vs. 200,000 expected and an unrevised 207,000 during prior week
    • Continuing claims: 1.559 million vs. 1.733 million expected and a revised 1.753 million during prior week

    Meanwhile, the Bureau of Labor Statistics' December producer price index (PPI) showed a 9.7% year-over-year increase in prices paid by producers, the biggest jump since 2010. Core PPI, which excludes volatile food and energy prices, came in at 8.3%.

    Omar Aguilar, Chief Investment Officer at Charles Schwab Asset Management, said "The inflation picture obviously is something that people are trying to understand — the concept of PPI and the fact that we're getting ... numbers that we haven't seen in quite some time. The labor market seems to continue to be very tight and very strong, and I think investors are trying to understand what the implications might be for the reaction of the central bank."

    https://www.bls.gov/news.release/ppi.nr0.htm

    The PPI comes the day after the Consumer Price Index (CPI) showed that prices for consumer goods rose 7.0% year-over-year, the fastest pace of inflation since 1982. CPI matched consensus estimates and showed a minor acceleration compared to November 6.8% print.

    By category, prices for used cars and trucks and shelter were the largest contributors to the headline increase. The used cars and trucks index rose for a third straight month and accelerated to a 3.5% month-on-month rise in December from November's 2.5% increase. This index was also higher by a marked 37.3% compared to the same month last year. Shelter prices rose 0.4%.

    The core measure of consumer price changes, which excludes volatile food and energy prices, rose 5.5% in December over last year, representing the fastest increase since 1991. This accelerated from a 4.9% annual gain in November.

    https://www.bls.gov/news.release/cpi.nr0.htm

    To close out the week, banks are scheduled to report fourth-quarter results on Friday as earnings season kicks off. The S&P 500 Financials sector ETF XLF set a fresh record intraday high again on Wednesday, marking its fourth record in the eight trading days so far in 2022 as investors gear up for quarterly reports from BlackRock (BLK), Citigroup (C), JPMorgan Chase (JPM), and Wells Fargo (WFC).

    Highlights

    • Private equity firm TPG (TPG) debuted on the market today, the first major IPO of 2022. Shares closed their first day of trading roughly 15% higher.
    • Banking app Dave.com (DAVE) also debuted in the market today via merger, with shares closing the day roughly 19% higher.
    • Shares of Ford Motors (F) outperformed the market today, with the company's market cap topping $100 billion for the first time in roughly 20 years as investors cheer the pivot into EVs.
    • Taiwan Semiconductors (TSM) rose after reporting fourth-quarter earnings results. The company reported earnings per share (EPS) of $1.15 on revenue of $15.7 billion. Revenue grew 24.1% year-over-year. Moreover, the company said it was planning to invest $40-$44 billion to expand capacity.
    • Delta Air Lines (DAL) on Thursday reported fourth-quarter earnings that came in line with Wall Street estimates, The airline posted adjusted earnings per share of 22 cents on revenue of $8.4 billion. Revenue in the fourth quarter was 74% recovered compared to pre-pandemic levels, and up 8 percentage points from Q3 2021.
    • Microsoft is investing $50 million in a LanzaJet facility in Georgia that will produce jet fuel from ethanol next year, LanzaJet said. LanzaJet, based in Chicago, said it has nearly completed on-site engineering at its Freedom Pines Fuels Biorefinery, with plans to start producing 10 million gallons of sustainable aviation fuel (SAF) and renewable diesel per year from sustainable ethanol by 2023.
    • General Motors (GM) said a trio of chips from Qualcomm Inc will power the "Ultra Cruise" driver-assistance feature on a luxury Cadillac sedan next year.
    • Microsoft Corp hired a key Apple Inc engineer Mike Filippo, who worked in the development of Apple's in-house chip, to design its own in-house server chips, according to a report by Bloomberg. The cloud computing heavy-weight relies heavily on Intel and Advanced Micro Devices Inc to supply chips for its Azure cloud computing services as well as Surface PCs.

    "If you really look closely, most overnight successes took a long time." -Steve Jobs

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    China critic Sen. Tommy Tuberville once again bought Alibaba stock and options

    Posted: 13 Jan 2022 04:17 AM PST

    China critic Sen. Tommy Tuberville once again bought Alibaba stock and options.

    Tuberville made three separate purchases of Alibaba shares valued at as much as $300,000 in total.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/12/china-critic-sen-tommy-tuberville-of-alabama-bought-alibaba-stock.html

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    Thoughts on Cloudflare?

    Posted: 13 Jan 2022 03:53 PM PST

    On the one hand, its technology is used widely on the internet and also could be used for IOT in the future, perhaps even metaverse due to edge computing and CDNs helping provide fast real-time experiences. On the other hand, that P/S of over 50 (despite the recent crash).

    Thoughts on Cloudflare?

    Edit: Should lay out my stance: outside looking in, trying to figure out if a buy point can even be ascertained and if so what it may be.

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    Going through 2nd forclosure while sitting on a possible fortune I just discovered..

    Posted: 14 Jan 2022 12:49 AM PST

    So I just sold my house was clean g out the garage and found these stock certificates from 1968 that my grandfather purchased. He died in 1983 and my mother and my uncle (who's an ass) would be the inheritants. There's about a dozen of them all counter signed and registered but definitely not cashed or anything. Now some are out of business but sone are not.. Like 50 shares of GE which if i follow the splits is now 600 shares. 100 shares Frontier oil which is now 3200 shares of Holly Frontier. And about 10 others. What is the simplest way to deal with this. I'm gonna get a death cert for my grandfather and my father so my mother will get her half, i suppose I have to notify my uncle whose already rich. But by my calculations just those two alone with the unpaid dividends is over $300,000. Need someone who deals with this regularly.

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    Why are NASDAQ’s small and micro caps crashing?

    Posted: 13 Jan 2022 07:46 AM PST

    Since early 2021, a lot of small and micro stocks traded on the Nasdaq have dropped more than 50%. A lot of those are biotech and healthcare companies that already had low valuations. Will they rebound and is it a good buying opportunity at this point? Thanks for the advice. Number of Nasdaq Stocks Down 50% or More Is Almost at a Record

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    How did you learn valuations?

    Posted: 13 Jan 2022 06:01 PM PST

    I'm a fairly new investor where I understand what successful investors prioritize and how investments work. I want to learn how to fundamentally evaluate a company using the DCF models, intrinsic value, and eventually learn how to quantify the risk of an investment to set safety nets but I am at a loss where to learn other than YouTube. Where did you learn how to evaluate a company in-depth and the details of analysis and are there other resources that are better than YouTube?

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    Stock I bought took a 40% nosedive shortly after – what are my options?

    Posted: 13 Jan 2022 12:59 PM PST

    I recently bought a few shares of Hubspot (Ticker: HUBS). It seemed to be unstoppable going up, hitting $850 a share, so I went in in the mid 700's when it dipped. I have been using the tool myself for a few years and I can see the company continuing to evolve.

    Shortly after I purchased it started declining fast. I expected it to rebound so I bought some more shares on the way down. Just like BABA, the stock continued to drop and I'm sitting at a nasty 34% loss—owch.

    I really hate to sell at a loss and the amount I'm down is significant for me, but seeing how companies like ZOOM are down >60% from ATH has me worried this can go more.

    I'm starting to get a bit worried and I appreciate any advice from you all.

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    Thoughts on Ford?

    Posted: 13 Jan 2022 08:24 PM PST

    Is now a good time to get into Ford or has the ship sailed on this company already? While I'm hesitant to invest in something that is trading at its highest price point in a while, I would think their shift into making electric cars, specifically the f150 combined with the fact that the chip shortage, will eventually end does present a good opportunity.

    I like Ford at 8 and sold it at 13 when I felt it didn't have much more growing to do, obviously hindsight is 2020. I'm not sure if I'm feeling a little FOMO due to the recent price action on the stock, but with Ford nearly doubling what Wall Street was predicted in their Q3 earnings has me questioning whether or not I should open a position again. Thoughts?

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    ProShares UltraPro QQQ (TQQQ)? Is it good investment?

    Posted: 13 Jan 2022 09:16 PM PST

    ProShares UltraPro QQQ (TQQQ) investment return is enormous. 108 fold (maximum) from the 2010 when it started to trade until today. And as minimum as 10 fold from the last covid turmoil.

    I was thinking a lot about it, what if I just cut all my investment and transfer it all to TQQQ. I know the benefits. But what are the risks?

    However, we have a problem, TQQQ is here where inflation was very low and FED was pumping the money like crazy. What like it be when inflation is rising and FED is shrinking it's money (paper) printing machine.

    Let's make a little crash, insert a market crash to the TQQQ. Let's backtest the idea of TQQQ.

    I took Nasdaq composite data from the beginning of 1999, calculated X3 multiplied return each day and "invested" $100,000.
    It was growing very nice. Just a perfect return machine.
    From Jan 1999 to Mar 2020 it grown 8 times fold to 800K.
    Nevertheless, after it was a disaster. Until October 2002, it shrank to only 2K. Only 2,000 dollars. It is disaster. It is 99.75% of free fall.

    It came back to only 20K till the next crisis in October 2007.
    Then fell to 1K in March 2009. Then it came back steadily to 100k only after Nov 2019.

    It is 20 years of nothing. Are you ready for it?

    I'm not. I feel the pain in the air with TQQQ, in the coming year or two.

    I would be far away from this paper for couple of years.

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    Do AI Algorithm Sell during a Crash?

    Posted: 13 Jan 2022 07:02 PM PST

    This last 10 years algorithms have taken over a lot of investing, obviously they are huge money to create, so they must be widely used by necessity of that.

    So my question is, with an AI set to beat the market on a 30 year outlook, will they sell a stock thats gone too low?

    With enough of these bots is a stock crash actually impossible at a certain level, as their calculations and historical data prevents them overwhelmingly from joining the tide of losses into the abyss of illogical downside?

    The market would go up again eventually, and timing the bottom would be impossible, so its illogical to jump off when you know the fundamentals are solid and you cant predict the bottom. AI will optimize the market to 100% efficiency.

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    Why are people underestimating the antitrust/legal issues companies like Meta are facing?

    Posted: 14 Jan 2022 02:05 AM PST

    Title basically. Facebook is the chief culprit but there are probably others at risk like Google.

    Just in the last week we've had:

    The attempt to dismiss the FTC case thrown out, and today a $3.2b class action in the UK. I don't think its unreasonable to expect more of this to come. So why do people constantly ignore this threat, especially given these stocks huge weightings in indexes? If Meta for example is forced to sell Whatsapp and Instagram, it'll make its current multiple compression look cute (it essentially becomes a value stock given FB's lagging growth, causing a huge rerate).

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    Buying calls

    Posted: 14 Jan 2022 01:29 AM PST

    Forgive me if this isn't the right thread. I bought a call that expires 1/28 for $38. Currently it says my contract is worth $44. I'm wondering if for some reason it drops below the strike price will I owe anything more than the $38 I paid for the contact? Thanks in advance

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    Thoughts on putting it all into Apple?

    Posted: 13 Jan 2022 03:03 PM PST

    I'm still new to investing, so I'd appreciate some advice.

    I'm thinking of throwing 75% of my savings into Apple. I was originally going to put it in an ETF, but now I'm torn. I know it's generally not advised to put everything into one stock, but I feel like Apple is going to do well this year and I don't have any big purchases for the next year (though I'm thinking of getting a home perhaps mid to late next year). My thought process is that Apple is unlike other stocks in that it is less likely to be susceptible to huge spike losses (unless a broader crash happens), so worst case scenario would likely be waiting out any dips that do happen.

    Any thoughts on pros/cons of putting a large amount of money into Apple?

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    Long hold on KOLD?

    Posted: 13 Jan 2022 11:30 PM PST

    KOLD is an inverse Natural Gas ticker. When I look at the 3yr, 5yr, max time trend lines, there seems to a clear, consistent and repeating pattern. If the pattern holds true, then I think the possibility to 3x my investment is there if I hold for a few months. The kicker is they announced a 1-for-5 reverse stock split JUST NOW, and Im wondering how that will affect the possible gains I think I could make. Should I buy-in next chance I get? Should I wait until the dust settles from the split? Is it wise to hold an inverse for that long? Is this a hairbrained idea altogether?

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    SNOW, Cramer loves it!

    Posted: 13 Jan 2022 12:54 PM PST

    The insiders sold more stock in Dec. then SNOW had in revenues for the whole year of 2021. Revenue of $592 million for whole year of 2021

    SNOW Lost $ 539 Million in 2021

    Frank Slootman CEO sold $344,130,000.00 just in December

    Michael P. Scarpelli CFO sold $240,891,000.00 just in December

    This is the biggest piggy bank for insiders in the world.

    They are putting more money in their pockets then total revenue for the company! Unbelievable!!!! Of course, Cramer loves it LOL

    The more revenue this company has the more it loses!

    I'm going to start a company just like SNOW. I am going to sell $10 Bills for $5 I will have huge growth like SNOW.

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    New to ETF: Double Charge of Interest?

    Posted: 13 Jan 2022 10:56 PM PST

    I'm trading this ETF and I have two entries on the same trading account made on the same day from H&R REAL EST INVT TR UNIT NEW [ HR.UN ].

    It lists, "Interest" charges of -$10CAD and -$5.75CAD.

    Is it normal to see two charges? Both show the same amount of shares owned and they're not divided on my account in any way

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    Dollar cost averaging $MSFT

    Posted: 13 Jan 2022 11:47 AM PST

    I'm fairly new to investing. I'm wondering what everyone's thoughts are on dollar cost averaging MSFT. I'm in college working a job that brings in about $600 or so per week. I'm 22 and have about $3000 in savings. So, I'm thinking about possibly buying 2-3 shares a month for an extended period of time. I've assessed the risk of volatility and lack of having a diverse portfolio for now. I think it's worth it for where I'm at right now. Any thoughts on this? Or any other recommendations for where I'm at? Thanks in advance.

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    Growth stocks during policy normalization.

    Posted: 13 Jan 2022 07:20 PM PST

    Since the start of the new year, growth stocks (mainly technology) have been in a rout, despite the recent 3-day recovery.

    This is mainly due to rising inflation and the Federal Reserve's hawkish tilt, incoming rate hikes (3-4 expected, with the first in March), and POSSIBLE balance sheet run off.

    The is exaggerated in part due to the extremely loose monetary policy and liquidity during the past 2 years, where most technology stocks shot to ATHs during the period, because of low - negative inflation and negative real rate; which meant that their future earnings are revenues would be higher.

    But, I want to understand what happens when policy goes back to normal? Because I'm failing to understand why the market is reacting in such a fashion, because the past 6 months it would SEEM to me that the rate hikes were already priced in and expected? So why is the market reacting to it like it were out of the blue.

    I know the balance sheet run off was more hawkish than expected but it didn't seem that far fetched to me

    And what will happen to growth stocks when inflation and interest rates normalise to their pre covid levels? Will their growth be stifled? Or is there still a chance for them to rise back to their ATH after normalizarion?

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    I'm down big on NIO, what do I do?

    Posted: 13 Jan 2022 10:31 PM PST

    Long story short I made roughly $900 on the run up for NIO (18->56), felt great, but wanted to be a long term investor. Cashed out and re-entered around 48 at first, slowly averaging down to what is now $40 exactly at 155 shares. It's my biggest position, its down roughly 1.8k, and would by my biggest loss since I foolishly started doing options in April of 2020. I love all of my other investments (F, SOFI, AAPL, LIT, VIAC) and feel like I could really use the roughly $4k that is still left in this position in NIO. I'm wondering whether to hold or to cut it loose. I'll explain further now.

    I started this long position more than a year ago at this point, and have added incrementally, mostly around the 35-45 range, and have yet to buy more lower than 29.5 yet because I've been moving my money into other positions I'm more confident in. When I started this position, I was incredibly confident in NIO's long term growth (3-7 years), and felt they were a solid contender to be among China's top EVs, and during the initial EV boom, it felt like a solid position to put for the long term. For reference, I'm 24 and not that conservative with my investments just yet, mainly because I also don't have confidence in the Fed's policies working, their leadership competency, or this economy to translate to positive returns on the stock market for most retail traders/investors like myself. I think there's a large crash coming, but who the hell knows when. I picked the aforementioned stocks because I felt they could weather that storm, to a degree, and were "winners". So far, they have been for me.

    Thing is, my grandfather got me into investing, and we bonded over investing talk over the pandemic and NIO was our baby, something we talked a lot about and it was a way of connecting with him in his old age. He's been telling me to hold throughout all this news about China, and that it truly is a long term hold. He's been successful in the market in his life, and I want to trust and believe him. The problem is I am truly in the camp that believes anything related to China, stock-wise, is untouchable at this point, and its clear that it can't be trusted. So all of these things are clouding my judgement on NIO, and I'm wondering if its worth sticking around for, what you guys think about it, if its worth averaging down at this price, or if its time to ditch this mamma jamma. I feel like I'm in limbo at the moment and it could go up, it could go down, or it could go sideways, and I need some internet strangers' unfiltered opinion about a Chinese EV company's longevity and growth potential. Any thoughts and prayers would be greatly appreciated

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    How does Microsoft compare to the FAANG stocks?

    Posted: 13 Jan 2022 12:31 PM PST

    As a relatively new investor, how does Microsoft compare to FAANG stocks? I'm thinking of buying a good deal of Microsoft stocks in my Roth. But it's hard to choose between it and FAANG (for my roth). I have some FAANG stocks in my taxable accounts, as well as a few Microsoft stock.

    I already have a bunch of Mutual Funds (SWTSX) and ETF's (SCHB and SCHD) in my Roth and taxable accounts, but it doesn't hurt to know how Microsoft compares to them as well.

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