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    Financial Independence Daily FI discussion thread - Tuesday, August 03, 2021


    Daily FI discussion thread - Tuesday, August 03, 2021

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 02:02 AM PDT

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    The financial independence journey and mindset progression

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 02:49 PM PDT

    Just curious on the progression some of you have had on your FI mindset over time. I started off finding this sub on a lunch break after a bad week at my first job out of college trying to find a way out. I noticed over time I've been going through different FI phases that may be relatable to many of you.

    For example I went from save every penny until I can hit leanfire -> let me chill out a bit and enjoy my life while I still try and be frugal -> don't really think about money much, but am aware of where my money is going (still trying to be a strong saver) and focus more on doing things that I'd be doing anyways if I retired. Shifted from a retirement focus to a safety net focus.

    Probably the most common one I've seen: live frugally -> finally hit FI -> quit job and travel for 6months -> thought that all they wanted to do was travel and go through their bucket list -> tired of being on road and just want to stay home -> get depressed and realized they could have done bucket list stuff in free time while working, and realize a big part of their purpose previously was based on their job which they now quit-> self realization and realize FI wasn't the complete answer to all their problems but can't ever see themselves working again

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    180k @ 25 years old on a more modest salary

    Posted: 02 Aug 2021 08:04 PM PDT

    Lots of higher net worth stories are being shared, which naturally include a lot higher, seemingly "out of reach" salaries for those who aren't long-time trade workers or in the finance/comp sci/equivalent industries. But I feel like my situation and savings are a pretty good story for some other people who are not in as fortunate situations as others.

    Background

    • 25, male, single, Medium COL area
    • Graduated 1 year early with 20k in unpaid student loans, which were paid off after very aggressive saving with my first job in 2018. This saved me another $10k in student loans.
    • 4 years at the same company working in an IT Support role.

    During college, I worked about 20 hours a week at Panda Express, making $12.50 an hour which funded my expenses such as rent ($500/month), utilities (~$50/month), public transport (~50/month) and food (~$200/month). I had maybe $200-250 leftover per month, which simply sat in my checking account since I did not know what a Roth IRA was at the time.

    I learned a lot, quickly, while living alone away from my parents, who were strict but fair. They told me that I would be on my own for money once I graduated, but I would be allowed to return home to live rent-free if I even ran into hard times. This reality check is probably what really inspired me to start actually working to save money, since I didn't want to "freeload" anymore, I already did for 20 years.

    [2018] After graduating with the aforementioned 20k in student loans, I got my first (and only) job at a mid-sized company making $41,500/year. Since the company was located relatively close to my studio apartment I had at college, I simply decided to stay there and commute via public transportation 25 minutes each way instead of paying $800 for an apartment within walking distance. I also learned what a Roth IRA was, and mistakenly(?) put in all $5,500 at the time the moment I learned of it… in the end, it worked out though, since it was like I never had that money to spend in the first place. I maintained my living expenses of ~$750 a month that I had in college, and gave myself an extra $100 as free spending money, which was often spent at gatherings with friends. This meant that out of my ~$2,800 in take home pay per month, I really only spent about $1,000. I paid off all $20,000 of the student loans by the end of 2018, and my Christmas and celebration present to myself was $1,200 in PC Parts, monitor, and peripherals for my desktop PC I still use today.

    [2019] In 2019 after my annual review, I got a raise to $49,000, but lived essentially the same as 2018. The only increases in my budget were improving my internet connection (50->75/month) and adding $50 a month to my food budget. I was putting $250 into my checking account every month, $450 into my Roth IRA, and this is when I learned about Vanguard's VTSAX and VTTSX. All of my extra money was going into these two funds, 60% into VTSAX and 40% into VTTSX. By the end of 2019, my estimated net worth was about $36,600.

    • Roth IRA - $12,900
    • Vanguard - $19,300
    • Checking/Cash - $4,000 (6 month E-Fund)

    [2020] In 2020, I decided to move closer to work to cut down on transportation and save time, so I moved out of my $500/month apartment into the city and picked up a studio apartment for $900/month. The only reason I made this decision is because I was able to get another raise to $57,000. My living expenses increased to rent ($900/month), utilities ($100/month), food ($350/month), but my monthly take-home pay also increased to about $3,600. I splurged on a trip to Asia in the summer, setting me back $2,500, but through continued saving and some big market gains, I ended 2020 with a net worth of $84,700

    • Roth IRA - $22,200
    • Vanguard - $56,500
    • Checking/Cash - $6,000 (6 month E-Fund)

    [2021] In 2021, beginning my fourth year with the company, I received a raise to $64,000, my current salary. I purchased a used car from a friend who was moving overseas for $4,000, and that has been my only major expenditure this year so far. I also dabbled a bit in the meme stock market (Dogecoin, GME, AMC) in January and profited about $15,000. I then put that into more "stable" stocks, such as MSFT, AAPL, Current N/W ~$180,000

    • Roth IRA - $34,000
    • Stocks - $22,000
    • Vanguard - $110,000
    • Checking - $10,000 (Decided to try to increase my E-Fund more)
    • Car - $4,000 (I know its value may go down, but still counting it - 2016 Toyota Prius)

    I know it's rare to see lower salaries at these "higher" numbers, but I want to show that it is possible to save a good amount of money on a "lower" salary. I am aiming to have enough to CoastFIRE by 45!

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