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    r/Stocks Daily Discussion Monday - Aug 10, 2020

    Posted: 10 Aug 2020 01:08 AM PDT

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    The technical background to Intel's problems.

    Posted: 10 Aug 2020 05:20 AM PDT

    Since its' Q2 earnings call a few weeks ago, Intel Corporation (INTC) shares have plummeted 20% upon announcement of problems with its' next-generation 10nm and 7nm manufacturing processes. The massive collapse has led to widespread attention among investors, but in reality the situation has been years in the making for those who've been paying attention. Today I'd like to look at some of the technical decisions Intel made, why they've caused problems and the implications of that on their future.

    Lithography techniques

    Lithography is an incredibly complicated process that forms an incredible competitive advantage for those who master it. In simple terms, you put a template of circuit designs (photomask) on a silicon base (wafer) and shine a powerful laser on it [1].

    Over time, people tried to fit more transistors in the same area – this would lead to increased performance capability, lower power consumption and various other benefits outlined in Dennard Scaling[2]. This becomes progressively more difficult over time, as you're trying to cram transistors into areas thousands of times smaller than the width of a hair. The industry ran into a particularly tricky wall around the 20nm mark, since the size of the laser you used to 'print' the circuit design became so relatively big that it couldn't reliably follow the complicated patterns needed for all the transistors. Two schools of thought developed to address this problem – patterning (using more than one photomask, each with simpler diagrams, and lasering the wafer with each of these templates separately), and EUV (extreme ultra-violet, using radiation with much smaller wavelengths than traditional). Intel saw success with dual-patterning (two templates) on its' 22 and 14nm process, and chose to go one step further and pursue quad-patterning on its' 10nm process.[3] Meanwhile, its' competitors TSMC and Samsung chose EUV. [4] For reference, Intel themselves have also chosen to pursue EUV for their 7nm process. That might give you a hint as to which was the right choice…

    Other terminology I'll be referring to in this piece are yield (how much of a wafer is actually useable) and monolithic (the whole CPU is cut out of the wafer as a single piece of silicon) vs chiplets (the CPU is formed from several pieces of silicon stuck together)

    The problems with 10nm

    Back in 2013, Intel was in it's prime. It dominated the CPU market with >90% market share, and was pursuing a tick-tock strategy with its' chips – every two years you would have a die shrink 'tick', then the alternating years you would have a microarchitecture change 'tock'. In the roadmaps released by Intel, they planned to have their next 'tock' of 10nm in 2016. The 'tick' – Skylake architecture came, but the 'tock' never did. Even today, 4 years after it was supposed to be released, 10nm still isn't really here. On paper, it was launched with Cannon Lake in 2018 – but the total number of those are in the thousands, if not hundreds. On paper, the 'mass-market' generation Ice Lake launched in 2020 but they have incredibly limited supply and offer inferior performance to Intel's own 14nm offerings. [5] The latest update is that desktop and datacentre chips will come in the second half of 2021 – but for reasons we shall soon see it is my opinion that these will yet again be flops. In fact, it is my opinion that 10nm is a total writeoff, and that the design decisions taken at a very early stage have doomed it to failure. When you use lithographic techniques, you are bound to have some defects in your wafer. After all, creating billions of devices tens of atoms in size isn't going to be perfect. Patterning as a lithographic technique inherently has a higher defect rate than not using it – you're basically going through the same process multiple times, thus increasing the chance of defect dramatically. As I mentioned earlier, Intel is using quad patterning in 10nm – this means their defect rates are going to be sky high. At the same time, their usage of a monolithic die compounds this problem for high-performance, high core count CPU models. As you can see from the blue wafer below, it's difficult to draw large squares (high-core count models) that are without defect. In comparison, the red wafer is AMD's chiplet approach, built on TSMC's less defect-prone EUV process.

    (Sorry, I copied this post from my blog to not self-promote but I can't insert the relevant pictures here)

    Since you can paste together multiple small CPUs into one bigger one, you use a far greater percentage of the wafer, cutting costs and letting you freely choose however many high-performance chips you want to build.

    Of course, it's impossible for anyone outside Intel to know the exact numbers for the defect rates, yields and unit costs for 10nm. No doubt they are improving as time goes on,as they always do with a maturing architecture. However, I can say with certainty that

    1) they are currently not yielding at rates that could let them release high core-count server chips in any volume, EVEN AT A LOSS

    2) The margins on 10nm will NEVER reach the heights that Intel has traditionally seen. Intel has enjoyed gross margins of above 60% for the last decade. In my opinion, if Intel were to replace their whole product stack with 10nm, their gross margin will never rise above 30%. The maximum price they can release their products at is capped not only by AMD's offerings, but more importantly their own legacy performance. If Intel attempted to price at a level that would give them healthy margins, their entire product lineup would be outcompeted by their 5 year old 14nm chips on a price/performance basis, and their customers would have no reason to upgrade, decimating their revenues.

    These are bold statements but I believe Intel's actions over the past few years, and their planned actions over the next few, support this view.

    When you release a new generation of processors, you always want to have it be 'better' than the previous generation. This may seem incredibly obvious, but the only exception is when the design has such big inherent flaws that you can't physically do so. For instance, the Bulldozer architecture AMD released in 2011 performed worse than their own previous-generation Phenom II architecture [6], leading to near-bankruptcy of the company, due to the flawed design of maximising core counts from a belief that multi-threaded performance was the future; while having the processor cores shares caches and FPUs, massively reducing the multi-threaded performance of the architecture. Intel finds themselves in a similar situation today. Their design choices made back in 2013 mean that it is impossible to mass produce 10nm high core count chips. This would've been fine if their monopoly continued and the mainstream continued to have 4 core, 8 threaded CPUs. Indeed, they are producing Ice Lake laptop CPUs today that have 4 cores. However, the resurgence of AMD with their high core count capable Zen architecture meant that Intel were forced into raising their own core counts to compete – there has been a doubling of core counts across their entire product stack, which is fine on 14nm with its' double patterning, but not so much on 10nm. The limitations of 10nm mean that current generation chips at the same price point from Intel have 14nm massively outperforming 10nm, with the higher core counts outweighing any density improvements that 10nm brings. Similarly, leaks for the upcoming 10nm Alder Lake desktop and Ice Lake Xeon chips suggest that the maximum number of cores on 10nm,28, will be 33-50% lower than those from 14nm [7] – not to mention AMD's offerings which top out at 2.3x the core count at half the price.[8] The persistent lack of chips on 10nm that can outperform their predecessors, despite us now technically being on '10nm+++', suggests that there is a fundamental barrier in the technology that no amount of delays and extra engineering can get past. 10nm is rotten from the very first steps taken.

    7nm and beyond

    So now we've established just how much of a disaster Intel's 10nm process is, what about 7nm? It should be better right? After all, its' built on the superior EUV, rather than SAQP. The market obviously expects it to be Intel's saviour, given the massive drop in Intel share price was widely attributed to the '6 month delay' in 7nm rollout. While I don't have nearly as much solid information to go on compared to 10nm, I just want to note a few things. The exact words Bob Swan used in the Q2 call were 'we are seeing a 6 month shift in 7nm… 12 months behind our internal target… we have identified a defect mode that resulted in yield degradation'.

    There's quite a lot to break down here. Many people, including analysts on the call, were confused by how 7nm could be both 6 and 12 months behind target at the same time. Have Intel achieved quantum tunnelling of time? The truth is that Bob's claim of a 'buffer in planning process' as the reason, while technically true, is incredibly misleading. In any typical launch of a new process node, you spend a few months getting up to speed – running the foundry through the whole process, troubleshooting, using the produced chips as prototypes to send to OEM partners for them to design products around, etc. You don't sell the chips produced to anyone. Industry standard is to call this period a tape-out, not a launch of a new process – that's when you actually produce chips that you sell to people. Bob's comment translated is that the process is delayed by 12 months, but they're going to breach industry standard and 'launch' 7nm when the first fabs start spinning up 6 months before they have chips in any volume. Sound ridiculous? Well, Intel did the exact same thing with 10nm. Faced with mounting pressure over the constant delays, Intel 'launched' Cannon Lake in May 2018. There was 1 CPU in the whole generation, a dual core processor with a clock speed of 2.2Ghz that was slower than the i3-3250 released in 2013 for $20 less than the 10nm part. Not to mention it was nigh on impossible to actually buy one.[9] Cannon Lake was an incredibly obvious paper launch, released to appease investors at a time where Intel had just started up its fabs. Ice Lake, the first 10nm architecture you could actually buy (in limited quantities) shipped in September 2019, more than a year after Cannon Lake 'launched'. This '6-month' delay is nothing more than an attempt to sweetcoat a 12 month delay (assuming no further delays).

    The second part of the comment, relating to a 'defect mode', is just as interesting as the first. Intel are attempting to use GaaFeT technology for their 7nm process, though there's conflicting information suggesting they might move away from this if it proves to be too difficult. [10] GaaFet, or Gates-all-around-Field-effect-Transistor, is a new and unproven transistor technology that should overcome the technical difficulties current transistor technologies face at increasingly smaller sizes. Unlike normal process shrinks, this is going to a completely new type of transistor and we only have one other comparable in history – the transistor to a 3D FinFeT technology a few years ago. With FinFet, the research process from having a 'working prototype' demonstrating commercialisation potential took 8 years. [11] Meanwhile, the equivalent demonstration with GaaFeT took place 3 years ago.

    [12] While FinFeT and GaaFeT are different beasts, it is undeniable that the plans from Intel, and indeed all other foundries, are incredibly ambitious. The latest leaks suggest that the 'defect mode' Intel have ran into has to do with their GaaFeT implementation. If this is true, you could easily see 7nm being just as much of a disaster as 10nm is.

    Beyond 7nm, there are some positives to be found. As we get even smaller transistors, it will be necessary for both EUV and patterning to occur. It's likely that Intel will have an advantage in this area compared to competitors due to their experience with 10nm. At the same time, they are actively exploring chipletbased designs. They might have been late in realising the benefits, but they've finally come around with their EMIB, Foveros and big.Little technologies, all of which I'll explore in a future blog post.

    Conclusion

    I'll leave it to you to decide what the financial implications of these deductions are for Intel, but suffice it to say the baseline scenario is far worse than what many people envision. There is no doubt that Intel will recover from this fiasco, but at what cost? Will it require yet another management reshuffle? Following in the footsteps of AMD, outsourcing production fully and writing off its' own fabs? Acknowledgement that they will no longer be able to extract incredible margins from their monopolistic position?

    References

    [1] http://www.lithoguru.com/scientist/lithobasics.html

    [2]Dennard, R., Gaensslen, F., Hwa-Nien Yu, Rideout, V., Bassous, E. and Leblanc, A., 1999. Design Of Ion-implanted MOSFET's with Very Small Physical Dimensions. IEEE Journal of Solid-State Circuits., 87(4), pp.668-678.

    [3]2019 Intel Investor Meeting Presentation, slide 9

    [4]TSMC PR release, 10/2019

    [5]https://www.anandtech.com/show/15385/intels-confusing-messaging-is-comet-lake-better-than-ice-lake

    [6]https://www.techspot.com/review/452-amd-bulldozer-fx-cpus/page13.html

    [7]https://wccftech.com/intel-10nm-ice-lake-sp-xeon-cpu-28-core-56-thread-cpu-benchmarks-leak/

    [8]https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-epyc-7742

    [9]https://www.anandtech.com/show/13405/intel-10nm-cannon-lake-and-core-i3-8121u-deep-dive-review

    [10]https://twitter.com/chiakokhua/status/1288402693770231809

    [11]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FinFET

    [12]https://www.researchgate.net/publication/319035460_Stacked_nanosheet_gate-all-around_transistor_to_enable_scaling_beyond_FinFET

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    Investing vs Trading: A reminder of tax implications

    Posted: 10 Aug 2020 09:28 AM PDT

    We've seen lots of posts recently from "new" investors freaking out over recent dips in the market and deciding whether they should get in or out. This is just a quick little post (and reminder) that anyone buying stocks should remind themselves about the impact of taxes on the trades their making.

    Lets take the most recent meme stocks example: FSLY and NET

    Lets assume you bought FSLY and NET on July 1 because you felt bullish going into the July 4th weekend. You would have bought Net at $37 and FSLY at $86.50.

    Now lets assume that you were smart enough to get out at the peak, which was August 4 for both stocks. FSLY would have sold for $116 and Net for $42.50. That means a 34% gain on FSLY and 15% gain on NET.

    But here's something you should ALWAYS think about: if you sell you need to subtract 34% for the tax man since that holding was less than 1 year and it is taxed as income. So your 34% gain on FSLY is actually a 22% gain, and your 15% gain on NET is actually a 10% gain.

    Now lets do the numbers:

    If you held FSLY for 1 year (until July 1, 2021), you only needed to get it to a price of $105 (not $116) to make the same money. For NET you had to hit a price of $40.70 (not $42.50).

    Keep all this in perspective when you look to "take profits" or "should I keep holding my stock".

    Also, this DOES NOT take into effect the reallocation of capital. If you only have $100 to play with, and you bought FSLY at $86.50, holding for 1 year could be opportunity cost on other potential plays. In that case, you probably fucked up in timing your entry and exist. If you only have $100 to play, then what were your objectives on a stock that is already up 400% in 3 months? Did you expect another 100% movement after earnings because you prayed to JPow for more stimulus?

    Be realistic and critical about each move. These "the stock is down, what should I do?" posts are getting old. Here's a better question that should be posted to this sub: "The stock is down to X, which is Y times the revenue to market cap ratio. I've done this research to indicate that the company can grow at this rate, which doesn't align to analysts. What are other people's opinion of my research so that I can more accurately assess my own personal price target for this stock I own, or am planning to own" </rant>

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    Tesla rival Nikola scores deal to make thousands of 1,000-horsepower electric garbage trucks

    Posted: 10 Aug 2020 06:37 AM PDT

    Cloud fare (net)

    Posted: 10 Aug 2020 06:43 AM PDT

    Hey y'all. So I'm an pretty deep in net. 120 shares at average of 40.40... I'm an curious to see what you guys think? Why has there been a decline after a Great quarter? Why so volatile? Any advice would Be helpful. Thank you

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    What are your top stocks being overlooked on here?

    Posted: 10 Aug 2020 06:42 AM PDT

    One stock I think is being criminally overlooked is SNOA (Sonoma Pharmaceuticals). I bought when they dipped last week and considering buying more if they are still under $10 on Monday, more if they are under $9. They have been almost consistently climbing and have survived through the ups and downs of this financial climate.

    SNOA just had their Microcyn antimicrobial treatment approved for airlines as well as their Nanocyn Disinfectant and Sanitzer approved into the Australian Register of Therapeutic Goods for use against Covid-19. Their highest stock price was around $5 precovid and is now sitting around $9.

    SNOA has a good chance of reaching $15 before years end, but I am confident they will reach at least $12.

    I have my sights set on a few more stocks this week but am curious what underrated stocks you think are worth buying? Why?

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    The one that got away

    Posted: 10 Aug 2020 12:22 AM PDT

    Hear the sad story of the ex that keeps me up at night..... I'm talking about $SQ stock of course. $SQ and I were in a relationship for about a year. We started out last August 100 shares at a price of $62. I was pretty excited about our future growth prospects together. Things were good for a while, heading in the right direction up to $85 in Feb. Then when covid hit and she dipped to $40 I soured on her. Figure she'd lose a lot of her small business clients and come up with some bad quarters. Waited until she climbed to $62 again and sold all my shares to break even. Turns out the success of cashapp brought her up to $147. She keeps me up at night, but I doubt she ever thinks about me. She's better off without me :(

    TLDR I held square for a year and sold right before their earnings report last quarter FML

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    So no one is talking about what’s going on with MGM?

    Posted: 10 Aug 2020 06:17 AM PDT

    Woke up to a ridiculous gain, 780 shares in. I have no idea when to sell this. I'm guessing some type of merger news? Big investor? I'm too shaken up right now to check why it's rallying right now lol!!

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    Investing in ARKK vs investing in all 5 or multiple actively managed ARK ETFs

    Posted: 10 Aug 2020 05:40 AM PDT

    Do any of you invest into multiple or all 5 of these ETFs? I was originally going to go with ARKK but also like ARKW. I know there's overlap. I was then thinking about going with all 5 but wasn't sure. This is for my Roth and would be 5% of my holdings in it.

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    Risks of investing in Chinese stocks in the US market?

    Posted: 10 Aug 2020 07:48 AM PDT

    I am interested in investing in China stocks like BABA and TCHY. But I remember reading that the US is thinking of banning Chinese stocks in the US market.

    I would like to ask how likely would Chinese stocks be banned, and what would happen to the stock value and the investments in these companies?

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    Stocks and taxes, how does it work?

    Posted: 10 Aug 2020 10:55 AM PDT

    I'm 18 and relatively new, how do taxes work when you sell a stock? I know you have to pay a certain amount of course, but what happens if you buy a stock, you make let's say $1000 profit, but your portfolio is down $2000 from break even from your initial investment. Do you pay tax from the $1000 you made regardless? Or let's say you make around $20,000 profit in a couple of months, but all of a sudden to gamble on one stock and you lose all of your portfolio, do you still pay the tax for your initial profit?

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    I’m maxing our my Roth today, any recommendations besides what I have planned?

    Posted: 10 Aug 2020 12:21 PM PDT

    I originally had a $1,000 investment, 1 SPY, 1 VOO, 2 MGK, yes I know, they're basically the same thing, but with the $5,000 addition today, I was gonna do 50/50 on VTI and QQQ. Are there any recommendations to add? Or should I do 25/75? 33/33/33 with another index fund?

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    Thoughts on $SRNE ? Safe long term hold?

    Posted: 10 Aug 2020 05:29 AM PDT

    I'm looking for a good stock to place the majority of my portfolio in. I was wondering if SRNE is a solid choice and relatively safe? I have seen some analysts price targets in the high 20s and even 30s and the company seems solid. Just wondering if there are any other folks in this.

    Thanks :)

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    Tim Cook: Apple's "mother of all opportunities" is enterprise services

    Posted: 10 Aug 2020 06:22 AM PDT

    Key highlights:

    - In 2017, Apple products earned the lion's share of their profits while services made up just 15%. Today, services bring in more than half of Apple's total gross profits—and Apple has just barely dipped its toes in this industry.

    - Now Apple has set its sights on a much larger bite of the apple: enterprise services. It's such a lucrative industry that Apple's CEO, Tim Cook, calls it the "mother of all opportunities." Behind the headlines, it has started gobbling up companies with technologies aimed at businesses.

    - And it's working. Last quarter, Apple's sales from services roared to an all-time record. But with its push into money-spinning enterprise services, I'm convinced Apple's growth story is just starting.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/danrunkevicius/2020/08/10/apple-new-era-has-begun/#2233339b4072

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    Can someone please explain to me this restriction on cash accounts?

    Posted: 10 Aug 2020 11:41 AM PDT

    Been trading on eTrade and making some decent profits. Bought a few more stocks and got the notice below.

    Trying to avoid a 90 day account restriction. If I deposit funds sufficient to cover the cost of the trades, does that automatically resolve itself? Then can I take it out? How long after? Seems like it would penalize me for doing too well if I'm trading with pure profits but don't have enough cash on hand to cover it.

    Thanks in advance for your help.

    Pursuant to interpretive guidance released by the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System regarding Regulation T, cash account customers are prohibited from selling securities prior to making full cash payment for the shares. Customers may use existing cash in the account, the proceeds from sales of fully-paid-for securities, and additional deposits of cash to make such payment. Proceeds of sales may be used for payment of a purchase only on or after the settlement date of such sales.

    In the event where a cash account customer sells a security that has not been fully-paid for, the account may be restricted for 90 days. E*TRADE Securities will require settled cash prior to making purchases in such accounts.

    The example below illustrates the type of activity that will result in an account being placed on a 90-day restriction:

    At the beginning of the day, a customer holds 1,000 shares (settled) of Company X in a cash account. The customer then makes the following transactions: The customer sells 1,000 shares of Company X for $25,000. Using the funds from the sale of Company X, the customer then purchases 2,000 shares of Company Y for $25,000 on the same day. Before the sale of Company X has settled, the client sells the position in Company Y and receives $25,000. In the example above, based on the Federal Reserve Board interpretive guidance, the customer sold Company Y shares before paying for them. This would result in the 90-day trading restriction referenced above being placed on the account.

    Restrictions on an account may be avoided if the security that was purchased is fully-paid for within four business days after the trade date by: Depositing enough additional cash into your account to fully fund the purchase; Combining accounts to increase the amount of cash available to pay for the purchase.

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    Do people seriously consider ethics when they invest in a company?

    Posted: 09 Aug 2020 11:14 PM PDT

    I'm curious about how many people decide not to invest in certain companies because of ethical or moral issues. I'm not talking about "oh I'm not gonna invest because the stock price might drop due to moral concerns." I mean genuine guilt for owning certain evil companies.

    EDIT: Just to add to the debate: If it became known that a large cap company uses slave labor and wouldn't get in trouble for it, would you decide not to invest or would you buy more because of "cheaper costs"?

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    Airlines stocks

    Posted: 10 Aug 2020 07:30 AM PDT

    Do we see these going much higher anytime soon? I have shares of Delta at an avg of $27 but I'm thinking I should just get out now at 28.50 because this industry may be in the tank for awhile. Anyone think this can rebound anytime soon or is my money better invested elsewhere?

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    401k transfer from old company advice?

    Posted: 10 Aug 2020 10:08 AM PDT

    Hi all,

    I currently work for a company that I have accumulated around $7,000 in my 401k. My two previous company 401k's are sitting at $16,000 and the other $6,500.

    I was thinking about rolling these accounts either all into my current works 401k, or a mix of the current job and opening my own IRA.

    Does anything have advice/pros/cons of moving or just leaving where it should be? Does anyone have experience opening an IRA from a rollover and managing the money on your own?

    I'm 27 so just looking for input. Long term growth is the goal for all of this money.

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    How did my price per share drop?

    Posted: 10 Aug 2020 08:46 AM PDT

    I was messing around and bought 238 shares of a stock at 6.47. I sold 138 of them at 6.49. Now it says the average price per share is 6.31 for the remaining 100 . How did it drop this low?

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    How many accounts do you have?

    Posted: 10 Aug 2020 09:51 AM PDT

    I currently have a RH account and am thinking about opening one with Schwab. I have a little over a years worth of "experience" and know this is something I want to be doing for the next 30-40 years.

    My current thought process is to use my RH account for whatever trades I want to make and play around with some swing trading. My Schwab would be stocks/ETFs that I want to buy and forget about (QQQ comes to mind). Idea is that Schwab would have a recurring transfer in and act in the background as something I check once a week/twice a month or so. I have a feeling as time goes along I will likely shift all holdings into one account.

    Do you think this is a good idea? Am I doing too much here and just stick to one? Am I going to get blindsided by anything?

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    LRN: 5%+ One Day Earnings Swing

    Posted: 10 Aug 2020 11:13 AM PDT

    Hey y'all, just wanted to let you guys know of a bigg steal for tomorrow. This ticker has a lot of elevating factors coming into an earnings call tomorrow(5 pm EST).

    1. Online education platform for most K-12 public schools. Definitely essential for the upcoming school year.
    2. Most likely to beat earnings with a history of beating estimates the past ¾ times. Definitely higher chance this time with COVID-19 going on.
    3. Just got insanely beat-down for no reason and is currently being swooped up by institutions/market makers.
    4. Recent news of 1300 teachers hired to company which is a sign of major growth to come.

    PT is 50.5+ personally. Prob will sell the post-earnings call reaction to see if further guidance or partnerships are announced. Hope this helps!

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    CFDs - plus500 and trading212 . Immoral?

    Posted: 10 Aug 2020 04:09 AM PDT

    Seeing a lot of newbie investors - specifically those that aren't financially literate - being attracted to sites such as plus500 and trading212 perhaps due to their aggressive marketing all over the internet. They don't seem very transparent to me - it seems to me that some people genuinely believe they're buying stocks and they don't understand what CFDs are. It borderline seems like a scam...I feel sorry for people who have lost a lot of money on these sites...I believe it's your responsibility to understand what it is you're investing but I can't help but think there is some culpability on the trading platforms also. What are your thoughts on CFDs, and the newcomers they seem to attract?

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    Out of curiosity: What if everyone on this subreddit bought a certain stock? Will it's price go up? Does this happen often in stock market?

    Posted: 10 Aug 2020 08:14 AM PDT

    This subreddit has 786k members, what if everyone invested $100 in a certain stock (say XYZ). That is $78M worth of shares. Do you think it's price will go up for no good reason?

    Is this something common in the stock market that people hike the price of a stock on purpose?

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    What do you all project NET (cloudflare) shares to be trading at each year for the next 5 years?

    Posted: 10 Aug 2020 11:37 AM PDT

    Been a tough day on the surface for NET shareholders. A lot of people asking about the long term aspect of NET. What is reasonable to expect NET to be at annually over the next 5 years. People often comment that NET is "super long term hold" which I agree it is. I expect to hold for around 5 years unless something crazy happens. What kind of numbers should long term holders expect to see year in and year out.

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    VGT and QQQ - Good Entry Today?

    Posted: 10 Aug 2020 07:48 AM PDT

    I've been waiting for a pullback on VGT and QQQ and today they're both about 1% down. Would you guys say it's a good entry point or wait? Thanks!

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