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    Financial Independence Daily FI discussion thread - July 09, 2019

    Financial Independence Daily FI discussion thread - July 09, 2019


    Daily FI discussion thread - July 09, 2019

    Posted: 09 Jul 2019 01:08 AM PDT

    Please use this thread to have discussions which you don't feel warrant a new post to the sub. While the Rules for posting questions on the basics of personal finance/investing topics are relaxed a little bit here, the rules against memes/spam/self-promotion/excessive rudeness/politics still apply!

    Have a look at the FAQ for this subreddit before posting to see if your question is frequently asked.

    Since this post does tend to get busy, consider sorting the comments by "new" (instead of "best" or "top") to see the newest posts.

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    Want to live longer? Retire early

    Posted: 09 Jul 2019 06:48 AM PDT

    It's nice to see an article that suggests that retiring early increases longevity:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonathanlookjr/2019/07/08/want-to-live-longer-retire-early/

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    Graphing net worth, investments, contributions, assets, liabilities in 1 chart

    Posted: 09 Jul 2019 05:51 AM PDT

    I created this chart for DW, who prefers pictures to tables. It displays
    1. net worth (line)
    2. total investment value (line)
    3. total contributions (line)
    4. home, bank, retirement, 529 "college" fund, taxable "brokerage", credit cards, mortgage balances (stacked bar). Credit cards and mortgage are liabilities and displayed as negative values.

    https://i.imgur.com/jeIxEoe.png (quarterly frequency, last 10 yrs)

    Notes:
    1. In Google Sheet, the underlying value will appear, as you move your mouse.
    2. Net worth is calculated by total asset - total liability. Assets/liabilities are displayed in a stacked bar. So I can see how the net worth is composed.
    3. I followed this to generate the underlying tables https://old.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/c4mzfe/i_made_a_google_sheet_to_replace_quicken/
    4. Removed vertical axis/grid lines for privacy. FYI, 0 vertical axis is where blue bar (brokerage) and pink (mortgage) meet.
    5. Any constructive criticism is welcomed.

    edited for clarification
    update: download the template from the above link

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    Mega Backdoor Roth Questions

    Posted: 09 Jul 2019 05:22 PM PDT

    Hi, I've been looking to additional approaches to saving as I have maxed out my 401k, Roth IRA, and HSA. My 401k plan allows for both after-tax contributions at 6% and in-service distributions, so I'm able to take advantage of the mega backdoor Roth. The kicker is that each rollover comes with a $25 distribution fee. I had hoped to initiate a rollover after every contribution, but with this cost, it doesn't make sense.

    So a few questions:

    1. Any recommendations on how often I should complete the rollover into my Roth IRA each year? It seems to be a balancing game of not wanting to pay too much in fees per year vs. not wanting to pay too much in taxes on the earnings. I'm leaning towards once or twice per year.
    2. I've seen recommendations elsewhere that if you are forced to keep your post-tax contributions in your 401k for longer than you would like, that it's best to choose investments with minimal gains so as to avoid taxes before the rollover. I'm not sure if I understand that logic, though. Why would you not want to optimize your gains during that period?

    Thanks!

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    Buying a house after FIRE

    Posted: 08 Jul 2019 06:45 PM PDT

    Withdrawal rates, health insurance all make sense to me, but the one topic I have yet to see any good information on is how to go about buying a home AFTER you've FIRE'd. Most people I've seen have bought a home before pulling the trigger, but it seems to me it would be very difficult to get a loan after the fact given that you're technically unemployed and have a lower income.

    Has anyone had any experience buying a home after FIREing? Is it even possible to get a loan? (Given of course that your remaining investments after fees and downpayment cover the mortgage etc)

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    Do you miss the sociability of work?

    Posted: 08 Jul 2019 04:37 PM PDT

    People who have FIREd, do you miss the social aspect of work?

    Right now I'm 24 and would love to be retired, but part of that is because my current situation with friends and family is so great. I see many people I care about quite often.

    That got me to wondering if maybe when I'm older and my social circle has lessened, if work wouldn't be a nice way to actually have some good interaction with people. It has made me consider if I'd be less passionate for the RE at that point in my life.

    Has anybody dealt with this?

    TL;DR - do you miss the interaction with people at work after you FIRE?

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    Windfalling into the unknown. I've included specifics & am willing to answer most questions for help in deciding what to do.

    Posted: 08 Jul 2019 09:47 PM PDT

    I am about to inherit 1.5 million. The last property in the estate closed today. I am at a loss with what to do with the money. I am 32, married with two children. We want to invest it and not touch it until retirement. I don't know a lot about investing, but I know that we have been in a bull market for 10 years so I am nervous about self managing it (During a crash or decline).

    Someone suggested that I contact this fee-based financial planner. I have been in contact with them & they will actively manage my money, do tax planning, business planning, etc. - for 1% on a 2 million dollar minimum. The manager said they would take my 1.5 mil, but still charge 20k/year. This is crazy, correct? Even considering their high end tax, estate planning, investment services?

    Married, two kids under 5, Midwest LCOL United States, I have a BA in business and my spouse has some college experience and working for a real estate brokerage as a salesperson.

    Our current financial situation upon inheritance will be as follows:

    Primary residence - owe 100k - value 300k

    1k month car loan - value 70k

    Two other cars paid off - value 15k

    Four plex - paid off 1.5k/mo income - value 250k

    Four plex - owe 180k 0.5k/mo income - value 250k

    Condo Rental - paid off 1.2k/mo income - value 150k

    Condo Rental - paid off 1.2k/mo income - value 140k

    Condo Contract for Deed - income 200 dollars a month

    Single Family Rental - paid off 1.2k/mo income - value 100k

    50k cash

    150k retirement accounts - plan on continuing contributions of 11k/year

    We currently live off of the income from the rental properties and cash lent out through mortgages (hard money).

    With rental property expenses, our total income fluctuates but hovers around 8k/mo.

    We spend about the same every month so are not saving anything. We will have about 400k from the hard money loans expiring. This will decrease our income by around 4k/mo. If we do not deploy this capital to get a 10% return immediately we will be dipping into principal to live.

    This is somewhat supplemented by the fact that my spouse is a realtor and helps occasionally with their parent's business for pay.

    As far as health insurance, since we are self employed, we use a health cost sharing program that's $500/month for the whole family. We have all been pretty healthy, very low expenses there.

    Our current mortgages on our home (100k) and the four-plex (180k) are around 5% interest. We have held our home mortgage (30 yr amortization) for about 5 years and the rental mortgage (20 yr amortization) for 1.5 years.

    We are interested in either expanding our RE portfolio with all the money or letting a financial manager take the 1.5m at 1% and invest the 400k in hard money again or some other contractual situation. We just read https://www.reddit.com/r/financialindependence/wiki/commercialrealestatepost and this sounds right up our alley. We live near a larger rural town of around 30k people. Multifamily garners pretty good returns. Commercial here is hit or miss. The economics of the area aren't like a growing metropolitan suburb or anything. Labor is cheap which tends to bring in low wage industry. Some mobile home parks could be obtained reasonably but need a lot of rehab capital.

    Also, we know the 1k car payment is ridiculous. We plan on selling it for the full value and purchasing something less expensive with cash. Should we pay off everything?

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    NYC Meetup?

    Posted: 09 Jul 2019 04:37 AM PDT

    I've found some old posts but nothing recent. Is there a FI/RE meet up in NYC? If not, anyone want to get together to start one? I'm in the process of searching for my first investment property and would to meet up with like-minded people.

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