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    The new tax bill will cause the overall real estate market to drop Investing


    The new tax bill will cause the overall real estate market to drop

    Posted: 02 Dec 2017 11:37 AM PST

    My logic is summarized in these 3 points:

    • Removal of SALT Deduction - Individual homeowners will be more incentivized to rent with a large increase in annual costs associated with home ownership.
    • REITs Get Nothing - REITs already receive heavy tax incentives and do not benefit from a large corporate tax rate reduction. So investors will shuffle around and leave REITs at their currently unfavorable prices.
    • Impact to Smaller Investors - Individual and smaller investors can declare their purchases as part of a business and get a lower tax rate, but they still have to pay extra property taxes to their States. In markets with already low capitalization rates, investors will see their profits drop far too low to be worth it at current prices.

    The impact to REITs, in my opinion, is what will cause the rest of the country's housing market to drop.

    Removal of SALT deductions will really only (heavily) impact areas that have high housing prices and/or high property tax rates. For a house worth 500k and a property tax rate of 0.6% to 1% (edit: California property tax rate, which is lower than the average national rate), buyers are looking at an added cost of up to $150,000 $45,000 (edit: forgot to multiply by marginal tax rate) in 30 years of ownership. That is not insignificant and will reshape how the average homeowner views real estate going forward. (edit: these values can be considered fairly conservative estimates for single-family homeowners)

    REITs on the other hand have been heavily maimed. These companies are effectively not taxed at all if they give away over 90% of their profits. So a reduction in the corporate tax rate just elevates the rest of the industry while leaving REITs in the dust. REITs buy up lots of property and I think we'll be seeing a reduction in REIT expansion and a subsequent stagnation in profits. Perhaps even a decline in the long-term.

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    How many shares do you buy?

    Posted: 02 Dec 2017 09:33 PM PST

    Maybe a better question is what is the average amount of shares someone needs to make a decent profit?

    I mean I see people say things like buy AMZN, GOOGL, etc. but unless you've got like $50k to throw at one company (about 48 shares for the aforementioned companies) is it worth it to buy just a few shares of companies like that?

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    The new tax bill will cause the real estate market to rise.

    Posted: 02 Dec 2017 08:34 PM PST

    The other thread on this sub is filled with misinformation, and led to a very wrong conclusion on the potential impact of the new tax bill.

    1. The other OP claims that property tax deduction is gone as part of the elimination of SALT (State and Local Tax) deduction, but it is untrue. Both the last minute version passed by the Senate and the original version by the House keeps the property tax deduction alive, but capped at $10k. This will still benefit most homeowners in the country. Even here in high property valued SF Bay Area, due to the low property tax in CA, a $10k cap still means the first $1M in homevalue gets property tax deduction.

    2. Mortgage interest deduction is not going away either. The recently passed Senate version of the bill kept the cap to be exactly the same as it is now, and the House version from earlier has a $500k cap on the mortgage (means only interest on the first $500k gets deducted). However it is widely expected that the Senate version to win and get passed as is.

    Now getting two major misconceptions corrected, it leads to my somewhat incredulous sounding prediction: home values will go up, especially in high tax, high property value areas such as CA and NY.

    The reason for that is now with the elimination of SALT deduction and most other personal deductions, home ownership is one of the few ways to get preferential tax treatment from the federal government. A combination of potential rental income, property tax deduction, mortgage interest deduction and the elimination of SALT deduction will make home ownership very appealing for high income owners in some areas.

    Additionally, the new rule of owner only gets tax exemption if they live in a place for 5 years instead of 2, will actually hurt supply in the short term since some people will try to hold onto their place for a bit longer, despite healthy value gain. This will drive supply even lower in supply-limited markets like SF Bay Area.

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    Would you buy AAPL at current valuations?

    Posted: 02 Dec 2017 08:38 AM PST

    What are some companies in simple industries that you thoroughly understand the business economics of?

    Posted: 02 Dec 2017 07:57 PM PST

    Hi all,

    I am looking to dive into public companies that have a business model that is relatively simple to understand.

    What is your favorite company right now that you thoroughly understand the economics of?

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    Daily advice thread. All questions about your personal situation should be asked here

    Posted: 03 Dec 2017 04:05 AM PST

    If your question is "I have $10,000, what do I do?" or anything similar. There is no single answer to this question, but we will also need A LOT MORE information if we are to give some sort of answer

    • How old are you?
    • Are you employed/making income? How much?
    • What are your objectives with this money? (buy a house? Retirement savings?)
    • What is your risk tolerance? (Do you mind risking it at blackjack or do you need to know its 100% safe?)
    • What are you current holdings? (Do you already have exposure to specific funds and sectors?)
    • Any other assets? House paid off? Cars? Expensive girlfriend? (not really an asset)
    • What is your time horizon? Do you need this money next month? Next 20yrs?
    • Any big debts?
    • Any other relevant financial information will be useful to give you a proper answer.

    Be aware that these answers are just opinions of Redditors and should be used as a starting point for your research. You should strongly consider seeing a registered financial rep before making any financial decisions!

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    How do you break down your allocations?

    Posted: 03 Dec 2017 03:48 AM PST

    With all the talk of the need to diversify after last week, I was curious how far you break down your allocations. I'm just keeping tabs on them by sector but do you also go for market cap, growth/value, anything else? Is there one you think is most important to keep an eye on?

    Thanks for your input.

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    How will the tax bill affect REITs?

    Posted: 02 Dec 2017 02:58 PM PST

    Etherium investing?

    Posted: 03 Dec 2017 02:45 AM PST

    What are some professional opinions on etherium investing? It supposedly uses a superior protocol than bitcoin. But cryptos are easy to make and quick to fail. I want to hear what people think.

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    Pass through business to lower personal taxes?

    Posted: 02 Dec 2017 11:14 AM PST

    Now that the tax bill looks like it's going through, I was wondering if there's an advantage to standing up a pass through business where I put all of my investment assets into so that the gains are then taxed at the lower corporate rate instead of the higher personal rate. Has anyone done this or thought about it more?

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    Why are MLPs getting destroyed recently?

    Posted: 02 Dec 2017 12:50 PM PST

    Anyone have any theories on why the mlp sector is down so much? Many of these companies have healthy cash flow and can easily cover distributions, so why is the market so afraid to jump in at 10%+ yields?

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    Opinion on current economic state

    Posted: 02 Dec 2017 09:14 PM PST

    weekly i watch prof. Richard wolff economic status updates and it seems like he makes alot of sense on alot issues currently happening (tax bill)etc

    Which makes me kinda nervous about having skin in the game right about now any thoughts?

    https://youtu.be/umdDtMhBWWs

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    ETF portfolio

    Posted: 02 Dec 2017 02:23 PM PST

    I am going to start investing 70/30 in shares/bonds. It's for a long term goal >15 years and I'll review the portfolio yearly, but not look into it too much. I live in the Netherlands, so remember I don't have access to all US ETFs.

    I've chosen for a 'lazy' dispersion; two ETFs.

    1. iShares Core MSCI World ETF @ 0,20% TER.
    2. iShares Corporate Bond Large Cap ETF @ 0,20% TER

    This covers 1672 shares and 1159 bonds all over the world, including emerging markets. The TER is moderate.

    I probably overlooked something, that's why I'm posting here. How would you improve on this portfolio?

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    Why does some stocks not pay dividends? Why would I buy these?

    Posted: 02 Dec 2017 06:48 PM PST

    Noob here.

    My question is why would i buy a stock that never pay dividends? What gives these stocks value?

    These would never strengthen my position, nor would there be a reason for the prices of these stocks to be so high, since they technically give me no new assets.

    I read that Amazon would rather reinvest money than pay dividends, making a bigger and better company, but wouldn't that just make the price of the amazon stock just an arbitrary number based on marketing/hype?

    Thinking of Amazon and/or Google, or similar stocks. I'm assuming there are differences depending on what stock it is ETC, but would love to have some more knowledge about this

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    Opportunities in the December Lean Hogs Contract

    Posted: 02 Dec 2017 03:07 PM PST

    Contract Overview

    The Lean Hog futures contract is financially settled and uses the CME's 2 day weighted average cash index to determine the final price. The details of the index can be found here.

    The data the index uses are released in report "LM_HG201" which details prior day production for US hogs. This report is issued every weekday morning around 10am central and allows you to calculate the CME index before they publish it since they typically lag 2 days in their reporting. Calculation

    For a quick overview, these cash prices are what packing plants are paying to Hog Producers for their livestock. Since the contract unit is for 40,000 lbs, the cash pricing is what's the most important. Another important data point is the cutout value which indicates what packers are able to sell their products for. We can determine their margins based on the values they're paying for hogs and the values they can sell the end product for. From here we can get a glimpse at future action depending on a few other variables most notably demand (macro economic outlook, international trade & seasonality).

    The important thing to note is that the future price and cash index will converge at the end of every contract's life. This isn't always the case in physically delivered contracts but it is in the financially settled ones. Its possible for there to be a spread at the end of the contract but luckily market efficiency takes care of this.

    December Contract

    Here is what the December contract looks like today

    Currently there's a $2.02 positive spread between the futures price of $65.275 and the latest CME index of $63.26 (rounding). As seen in the chart, this contract has been trading to a discount to the cash index until the basis flipped on the 24th. As the market saw cash starting to bottom out, it began to price in cash appreciation which we have seen recently (however the index has not moved as much as I'd expected).

    The cutout has been especially strong lately as well. Bellies have seen continued strength throughout November and Hams are in season right now. The rest of the cutout is weakening however which is keeping the overall carcass steady to down. If bellies weaken then the carcass will depreciate quickly and packer margins will erode. This would indicate that they will pay less and likely start lowering the cash.

    Fridays action & a glimpse at the future

    On Friday, we saw renewed strength in the contract as it pushed over $65.00 however the data was bearish with cash down 42 cents and as much as a dollar regionally. The cutout also took a hit however bellies are keeping it in check. Fridays can be weird in terms of data and we shouldn't determine a trend based on this however the supply story is interesting.

    The industry has been running under projected production for the past few weeks (as indicated in the last USDA Hogs & Pigs report found here ) and weights have been increasingly steadily (weight data released on Wednesdays and found here). Production estimates have consistently been revised down which could indicate that packing plants have been deliberately slowing the chain and the weight data would back this up since rising weights indicates pigs are sticking around longer and eating more.

    Demand has been keeping up with these rising supplies but the trade is beginning to take notice of the rising weights. If the packers are slowing the chain in order to keep the cutout inflated then its creating a new problem as pigs are backing up in the chain and only getting fatter. By seeking short term profits, they're actually creating a longer term problem. The question is when this starts to present itself.

    If Friday's decrease in cash & cutout become a trend, the futures will have to follow it and close the $2.0 premium basis. Then it will likely then have to build a discount to the index. This is where the fun begins my friends.

    Some Math

    Scenario 1

    Let's assume the index data for 12/1 mirrors the data for 11/30. This would bring the index to 63.42 with 9 days left to trade (note I kept Net Pricing the same but since its a 2 day weighted average, the index will still increase). To reach the current futures value of 65.275, we would need a daily index increase of 0.32%. Note that since the index started increasing, it has increased by a weighted average of 0.33%. This means the trade is expecting similar growth for the remainder of the contract life. This scenario also assumes steady cash net pricing on 12/1 which we already know was not the case.

    Scenario 2

    If we assume that the national cash decrease of 42 cents in both the negotiated and formula net pricing for the index on 12/1 and set 12/2 equal to that (due to the 2 day weighted average) then we would need an average increase of 0.44% to reach the current futures value. If we assume the trades assumption of 0.33% then we would reach $64.69 by settlement (which is still ~230 dollars per contract if you were to sell at the current price).

    Neither of these scenarios assumes cash trending back down however which I don't even need to model out because I think the price action is obvious.

    Summary

    If cash continues down, I imagine price action will follow sharply and close that premium. I bought up some 64 puts on Friday since I don't feel there a lot of risk to the upside unless there's significant cash appreciation which I think can be capped by supply concerns. If cash continues down, then I should exit with profit. However I will cover if cash continues up. We'll see what happens Monday!

    Originally Posted in /r/TheWallStreet

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    Tax question on capital gains in the US

    Posted: 02 Dec 2017 11:14 PM PST

    Hi all. I currently live abroad with a portfolio of stocks invested in Europe. Because I am not a EU resident I do not have to pay taxes on these stocks would I sell them.

    I am however planning to move to the US next year, and I was wondering if it wpuld make sense to sell these stocks before Dec 31st and buy them back on January first, so that I am only expected to pay US taxes on the gains on the profits made post Jan 1st?

    Or are there particular rules for capital gains that work in my favour/against me?

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    3 years horizon: 13pct tax reimbursement or tax free gains?

    Posted: 02 Dec 2017 08:14 AM PST

    Hi fellow investors, I recently started putting my money into stocks and bonds, largely due to government program in my country that made investing easier.

    You have a choice either to claim 13% tax reimbursement from the amount deposited to brokerage account, or get a tax free returns.

    This program lasts 3 years, and once you make a choice - you can't go back. I.e January 2018 I'd probably file for tax reimbursement, because my return is negative so far (-2%).

    Is there a chance my the average annual market return will be above 13% in 2018 and 2019?

    Most of my stock is split between SnP 500(20%), t-bond funds(30%), high tech stocks (30%), and rest is split equally between all sorts of country indices (msci China 5%,msci Australia 5%,germany, UK etc)

    So, again which of the 2 options I should choose in your opinion and why?

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    How much upside in SP 500 on Monday? Any guesses?

    Posted: 02 Dec 2017 06:59 PM PST

    Hi Guys,

    Given that the corporate tax bill has been partially factored in the pricing of various stocks, how much upside are we looking at on Monday for SP 500?

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    [META] Micro AMA thread

    Posted: 02 Dec 2017 08:20 AM PST

    I'm sure we have a wide variety of financial professionals on this sub, and while I don't think any in particular are worth an AMA I thought it might be interesting to have a thread where each top level comment is an AMA for a different profession.

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    F Score Calculation Exercise

    Posted: 02 Dec 2017 03:00 PM PST

    Hello,

    Can someone tell me if I am calculating Piotroski's F - Score correctly? I am going to choose AMD for this exercise and run through the whole calculation using data collected from morningstar and I will use yearly reportings and not quarterly. For those who take the time to help me, thank you so much!

    Thanks, ~ Arthur

    Piotroski's paper:

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1757025

    Definition: ROA is net income before extraordinary items. F_ROA equals 1 if the firm ROA is positive, zero otherwise. Morning Star: Financials > Income Statement > Total Operating Expenses > Net Income Financials > Balance Sheet > Total Assets Equations: Return on Assets = Net Income (This Year) / Total Assets (This Year) 

    ROA = -497 / 3321

    F_ROA = 0

     Definition: DeltaROA is net income before extraordinary items for this year less the year before. F_DeltaROA equals 1 if DeltaROA is positive, otherwise 0. Morning Star: Financials > Income Statement > Total Operating Expenses > Net Income Financials > Balance Sheet > Total Assets Equation: DeltaROA = ROA (This Year) - ROA (Last Year) 

    DeltaROA = (-497/3321) - (-660/3109) = -.14965 - -.21228

    F_DeltaROA = 1

    Definition: CFO is cash flow from operations. F_CFO equals one if CFO is positive, zero otherwise. Morning Star: Key Ratios > Financials > Operating Cash Flow (USD Mil) Financials > Balance Sheet > Total Assets Equation: CFO = Operating Cash Flow (This Year) / Total Assets (This Year) 

    CFO = 90 / 3321

    F_CFO = 1

    Defintion: ACCRUAL is the current year's net income before extraordinary items less cash flow from operations, scaled by beginning of the year total assets. F_ACCRUAL equals one if ACCRUAL < 0, zero otherwise. Morning Star: Financials > Income Statement > Total Operating Expenses > Net Income Financials > Balance Sheet > Total Assets Key Ratios > Financials > Operating Cash Flow (USD Mil) Equations: ACCRUAL = ROA(current year) - CFO(current year) 

    Accrual = -497 / 3321 - 90 / 3321 = -0.149653719 - 0.027100271

    F_ACCRUAL = 1

    F_DeltaMargin: Purpose: Improvement in margins signifies a potential improvement in factor costs, a reduction in inventory costs, or a rise in the price of the firm's product. Definition: DeltaMargin is the firm's current gross margin ratio (gross margin scaled by total sales) less the prior year's gross margin ratio. F_DeltaMargin equals one if DeltaMargin is positive, zero otherwise. Morning Star: Key Ratios > Profitability > Gross Margin Equations: DeltaMargin = Gross Margin Ratio (This Year) - Gross Margin Ratio (Previous Year) 

    DeltaMargin = 23.36 - 27.06

    F_DeltaMargin = 0

    F_DeltaTurn: Purpose: An improvement in asset turnover signifies greater productivity from the asset base. Such an improvement can arise from more efficient operations (fewer assets generating the same levels of sales) or an icnrease in sales (which could also signify improved market conditions for the firm's products). Definition: The Firm's current year asset turnover ratio (total sales scaled by beginning of the year total assets) less the prior year's asset turnover ratio. F_DeltaTurn equals one if DeltaTurn is positive, zero otherwise. Morning Star: Key Ratios > Efficiency Ratios > Asset Turnover Equations: Asset Turnover = Net Sales / Average Total Assets Average Total Assets = (Total Assets (this year) + Total Assets (previous year)) / 2 DeltaTurn = Asset Turnover (This Year) - Asset Turnover (Last Year) 

    DeltaTurn = 1.33 - 1.16

    F_DeltaTurn = 1

    F_DeltaLever: Purpose: By raising external capital, a financially distressed firm is signaling its inability to generate sufficient internal funds. In addition, an increase in long-term debt is likely to place additional constraints on the firm's financial flexbility. Definition: Captures changes in firm's long-term debt levels. F_DeltaLever equals one if the firm's leverage ratio fell in the year preceding portfolio formation or if the firm has 0 long term debt at both the beginning and end of the fiscal year, 0 otherwise. Morning Star: Financials > Balance Sheet > Total Liabilities Financials > Balance Sheet > Total Assets Equations: Average Total Assets = (Total Assets (This Year) + Total Assets (Last Year)) / 2 Leverage = Total Liabilities / Average total assets DeltaLever = Leverage (This Year) - Leverage (Last Year) 

    Average Total Assets (this year) = (3321 + 3109) / 2 = 3215

    Average Total Assets (last year) = (3109 + 3767) / 2 = 3438

    DeltaLeverage = (3521/3215) - (2905/3438) = 1.095 - 0.845 = 0.25

    F_DeltaLeverage = 0

    F_DeltaLiquid: Purpose: Piotroski assumes that an improvement in liquidty is a good signal about the firm's ability to service current debt obligations Definition: DeltaLiquid measures the Historical change in the firm's current ratio between the current and prior year. The current ratio is the ratio of current assets to current liabilities at fiscal year-end. F_DeltaLiquid equals one if the firm's liquidity improved, zero otherwise. Morning Star: Financials > Balance Sheet > Total Current Liabilities Financials > Balance Sheet > Total Current Assets Equations: Current Ratio = Total Current Assets / Total Current Liabilities DeltaLiquid = Current Ratio (This Year) - Current Ratio (Last Year) 

    DeltaLiquid = (2530/1346) - (2320/1403) = 1.8796 - 1.6536

    F_DeltaLiquid = 1

    EQ_OFFER: Purpose: Similar to an increase in long-term debt, financially distressed firms that raise external capital could be signaling their inability to generate sufficient interal funds to service future obligations. Defintion: Equal to one if the firm did not issue (or less) common equity in the year preceding portfolio formation, zero otherwise. Morning Star: Key Ratios > Shares Equations: EQ_OFFER = Compare Issued Shares (This Year) to Issued Shares (Last Year) 

    EQ_OFFER = 835 - 783 = 0

    F_Score for AMD = 0 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 1 + 0 = 5

    Edit: Formatting

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    Full Expensing In The Tax Bill?

    Posted: 02 Dec 2017 02:22 PM PST

    What exactly does this mean for companies. Does this mean a company writes off it's R&D? Depreciation? CAPEX? I'm curious as to how this would grow EPS for some of my holdings.

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    Beginner, I need your help

    Posted: 02 Dec 2017 02:16 PM PST

    Hi,

    I am currently an undergraduate in the final year of a business management degree in the UK. While I plan on finding a graduate job and work my way up from there, I am highly interested in the world of investment, one issue, I barely know anything about it. My question for you is this, where do you start from? Do you grab a popular book, learn your way through online sites and forums, enroll in a course, etc...

    Thank you for reaching out, i'll be waiting for your suggestions

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    Corporate Tax Rate to Lower Gold Price

    Posted: 02 Dec 2017 01:09 PM PST

    It seems that from the mid 1970s to the mid 1980s (the era that most similarly reflects changes to the U.S. tax system as today) as the effective tax rate was lowered, the price of gold fell dramatically. Do we have any thoughts on the same situation? While turbulence is to come, gold would traditionally be a safe-haven for assets. However, with the lowered tax-rate, is gold due for a sudden downfall? I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.

    https://imgur.com/xaHGKIg

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