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    Flockjay will not land you a $75k Tech Sales Job Sales and Selling


    Flockjay will not land you a $75k Tech Sales Job

    Posted: 29 Jan 2021 01:52 PM PST

    Anyone interested in Flockjay's Tech Sales Training Service should not be fooled by their CEO Shaan Hathiramani's claim that "Upon graduation, those students can expect to make between $75,000 and $85,000". This is a flat out lie.

    Their website claims 'The average full-time job offer from companies on our platform is $75,000'. Again, this is a lie. Prospective students should ask for data to substantiate this claim before enrolling.

    They do provide a 10 week tech training course, but most graduates will not have jobs lined up for them upon graduation. It's extremely common that it will take 2-6 months post graduation to land a job.

    While there are a few students with prior tech or sales experience that land a job close to 75k, the vast majority of jobs they are slinging to students are $40k base with $10-15k commission at subpar companies.

    Hiring partners come to Flockjay to help them build out entry level sales teams in satellite offices such as Cleveland, Phoenix, Salt Lake City with the intention of paying low salary to these employees vs their HQ cities of San Fran, Austin, etc. If you enter the Flockjay program you should be willing to relocate to one of these cities.

    Candidates come to Flockjay to make an important life pivot and in a lot of cases are desperate for a job. This desperation should not be taken advantage with a false promise of $75k job upon graduation.

    There's a reason the premier ISA's like Lambda School do not make salary claims on their website. They simply state 'Pay nothing until you get a job paying at least $50k'. Which in FlockJay's terms would be 'Pay nothing until you get a job paying at least $40k.' This would be an accurate portrayal of what you should expect from joining/paying Flockjay.

    Additionally, I would encourage Flockjay leadership to be transparent with the following data to their students & prospective students:

    • Number of students from each batch that have / have not landed jobs
    • Average length of time from graduation to job start date for each batch
    • Starting base salary for those jobs & potential commision
    • Relocation requirements for those jobs
    • Provide students with a list of current and prospective hiring partners
    • Breakdown of how many Flockjay alumni work at hiring partners and in what positions
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    Selling SaaS products as a freelancer rather than SDR?

    Posted: 30 Jan 2021 04:18 AM PST

    Hello, what's your opinion on a running a SaaS resell business? There are several big companies that don't have outbound sales teams for my country (Italy) so I was thinking about pitching Italian companies for services offered by SaaS companies that are already big in the US but don't operate much in Europe and get a commission through some partner/reseller/referral program.

    Does any of you know of big legit companies that offer this kind of service? For example Slack had a reseller program in the past, selling for such reputable companies in untapped markets may be a good opportunity!

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    What industry is everyone in and what's the hardest part when placing large food orders for your potential clients?

    Posted: 30 Jan 2021 08:15 AM PST

    Where can I find remote online commission lead generation/sales jobs? Are there any companies or industries worth working for?

    Posted: 30 Jan 2021 02:27 AM PST

    So I have a decent job in security consulting (like geopolitical risk, not cybersecurity). Pays the bills, comfortable life, plenty saved over from my salary.

    But I remember my first job working sales at a financial services firm. It was unstable, no training, boss yelling at me/bullying me everyday.

    But I also had a social life because I was forced to actually be social, and talk to people. I had a lot of friends and as much as it was one of the worst times of my life (though not the actual worst), it was definitely the best time of my life.

    I've noticed I'm a very slow thinker which is impeding my current job. It's not the end of the world, my current employer is great and trains me regularly and very well, but I read somewhere that just being social could help me think faster and respond better to situations (which may naturally help me build a social life, and get better at my job!)

    My first job was a terrible sales job, but honestly it improved me. On days where I met my targets, I felt fulfilled, confident, I wanted to talk to people and form meaningful connections.

    So I've decided I'm going to give that a go because all I do is sit on front of the computer on my time off and play video games or watch tv. And I do shift work. Since I work 12 hour shifts, I only have to work 15 days per month, rather than the usual 5days per week x 4 weeks. So I have plenty of time off from work to spend a few hours each day just talking to people and getting better at sales.

    I wanted to try a remote commission only sales role. I don't like quotas. Maybe something like lead generation or sales that can close quickly (I don't want to negotiate deals on technical products for weeks or months on end, I just wanna sell and get that high from successfully selling!). Basically, I want to do this for self improve, I don't need the money.

    Do you guys know:

    1. Where can I find such roles?
    2. Are there good companies or industries I can work for? Keeping in mind there is a pandemic and travel restrictions! So I'm looking for a sales role where I can just call people from my phone or computer.
    3. Any bad companies to watch out for?
    4. Which services I can use to get a list of phone numbers I can call?
    5. How much I might need to invest to start with e.g. $200-$300 to get the phone call software and the phone numbers from data companies etc.
    6. Any other advice like best tips to learn yourself on the job? Or just life stories about commission sales; challenges to expect and how to overcome etc.

    All the help is greatly appreciated guys :)

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    Want to make people interested in my products. Please help.

    Posted: 30 Jan 2021 02:14 AM PST

    Hello,

    I have 29 years old, wrote 5 books and printed 250 each (which nobody bought), and recently developed a learning platform (which nobody uses).

    I want to learn how to make people interested in my products so they eventually invest time and money into them.

    I have recently started listening to Tony Robbins - The Power of Influence and it seems a great resource.

    Do you have other recommendations?

    I want to learn how to identify my audience, how to make them interested in my products, how and where to approach them, and anything else that may be helpful.

    I don't want to call people as I don't really like cold calling. But I can start writing to strangers on LinkedIn or send them emails - I have over 18k connections there.

    Try to recommend me something that has specific practical steps includes. Sometimes, I find it hard to put into practice what I read if there's no action plan included.

    Thank you for reading this post. Looking forward to your recommendations.

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    Influencing stakeholders - too much/ too little

    Posted: 30 Jan 2021 01:25 AM PST

    Hi Guys, how do you handle influencing stakeholders? Do you always pass via your sponsor? And at what moment during the sales cycle do you focus on this aspect? I would say, ideally from start to finish. Would be great to get some insights from you. What is too much in your opinion and how do you find the right balance in this. Thanks

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    ISR interviewing with SE's for field role

    Posted: 29 Jan 2021 02:09 PM PST

    Hi everyone, I'm an inside sales rep at a mid-size cyber security saas company and interviewing for a field rep/enterprise role. I have an interview coming up with the two Sales Engineers I would team with if I get the gig.

    So far I've had one interview with the RSM I would report to, which was more of a get-to-know-you type than a grilling with the traditional hard-hitting questions. It went well enough that he set me up on this next step with the SE's

    What are some recommended questions I can bring to show them I'm more than capable of performing at this level? I'm particularly interested in feedback from current/former SE's, what you wish reps would ask you in this situation, etc. Thanks!

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    What movie provides the most accurate representation of sales (and people in sales) in the real world?

    Posted: 29 Jan 2021 07:54 PM PST

    Sales practice.

    Posted: 29 Jan 2021 03:47 PM PST

    I am a banker, I have my Real Estate license as well. But I was told I wouldn't make it in RE with my sales experience at the bank. So I'm worried I made a mistake trying to switch roles.

    Could/would someone be willing for me to sell you a bank product? You don't have to agree, but just hear my "art of persuasion" as they say. And let me know where I stand? Am I convincing?

    If only my self doubt could speak for me.

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    I forget the term but what type of selling is it when you sell only the persona of perfection.

    Posted: 29 Jan 2021 06:18 PM PST

    For example: if you started up a company you wouldn't say I'm working from my garage at my moms house. You would sell yourself as a LLC or Sole proprietor. You always put on a better facade in front of people.

    So what type of selling is that. I forgot the term.

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    Auto brokers....need advice/questions?

    Posted: 29 Jan 2021 04:58 PM PST

    So I just came across this field of sales and I've done a ton of research into it and it seems like I'd really like it. How would I got about finding a firm that's hiring or that I could intern at? Indeed hasn't been super helpful so far with the search results. Any other information you think i should know will be highly appreciated! Thanks!

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    Very Harsh Replies to Cold Outreach

    Posted: 29 Jan 2021 02:52 PM PST

    Doing some cold emailing for generate leads... 3 days in and i'm already speechless.

    The only replies are just elaborated and incredibly harsh insults.

    My target is supposed to be people who helps other people, that leaves me even more speechless.

    And i'm thinking to quit with this method, looking the results...

    What's your experience in it? How you deal with this?

    Can you just "not give a f**k" easily?

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