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    Daily General Discussion and spitballin thread - August 04, 2021 Investing

    Daily General Discussion and spitballin thread - August 04, 2021 Investing


    Daily General Discussion and spitballin thread - August 04, 2021

    Posted: 04 Aug 2021 02:01 AM PDT

    Have a general question? Want to offer some commentary on markets? Maybe you would just like to throw out a neat fact that doesn't warrant a self post? Feel free to post here!

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    • General questions
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    • Opinion gathering on a given stock
    • Non advice beginner questions

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    Daily Advice Thread - All basic help or advice questions must be posted here. August 04, 2021

    Posted: 04 Aug 2021 02:00 AM PDT

    If your question is "I have $10,000, what do I do?" or other "advice for my personal situation" questions, you should include relevant information, such as the following:

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    • What are you current holdings? (Do you already have exposure to specific funds and sectors? Any other assets?)
    • Any big debts (include interest rate) or expenses?
    • And any other relevant financial information will be useful to give you a proper answer.

    Please consider consulting our FAQ first - https://www.reddit.com/r/investing/wiki/faq And our side bar also has useful resources.

    Be aware that these answers are just opinions of Redditors and should be used as a starting point for your research. You should strongly consider seeing a registered financial rep before making any financial decisions!

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    Robinhood surges 25%, blows past $38 IPO price

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 11:07 AM PDT

    Source from CNBC:

    Shares of Robinhood soared Tuesday, pushing the newly public stock trading app well above its IPO price of $38 per share last week.

    Robinhood went public last Thursday on the Nasdaq under the ticker HOOD, hitting the public markets it seeks to democratize. The stock priced at $38 per share, the low end of its offering range. It opened at that price on Thursday but then fell 8% on its first day and had largely traded below that price, until Tuesday.

    Robinhood's stock last traded at $47.40 per share, up 25% on Tuesday.

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    PSA: Missinformation about Chinese Stocks floating about everywhere. Do your own research!

    Posted: 04 Aug 2021 01:15 AM PDT

    I have been fighting to correct the missinformation in the last week in the comments but I decided a dedicated thread could be useful for Investors.

    Lets look at Alibaba as an example to explain what I mean. You can find all this information on their 20-F. This is my source.

    ADR vs HK shares

    The BABA ADR can be exchanged 1:8 for the HK stock for ALIBABA Holding. There is no substantial risk when it comes to ADR vs the HK stock. If BABA gets delisted in NYSE then you can still convert them to HK shares.

    ADR vs VIE

    Alibaba Holding directly ownes all the non Chinese parts of ALIBABA. They are also directly owning some of the chinese parts of ALIBABA. The CCP only restricts foreign investments into certain sectors. In all other sectors foreigners can and do have direct ownership rights. There are three categories of sectors. Sectors in which foreign investers can invest freely. Sectors in which foreign investors can hold no more then 50% of total equity. And sectors in which foreign investors can not hold any equity.

    Only a part of Alibaba is not directly or indirectly owned by Alibaba Holdings. For this part they have the VIE contracts. These contracts say that Alibaba Holdings has control over the profits of these Companys and can replace the CEO. Although it is not clear if the contract is enforceable under chinese LAW (grey area).

    https://otp.investis.com/clients/us/alibaba/SEC/sec-show.aspx?Type=html&FilingId=15112567&Cik=0001577552

    For an overview open the link i pasted and search for "C. Organizational Structure"

    The following parts of ALIBABA are not Part of ALIBABA Holdings and have a VIE contract instead:

    -Zhejiang Taobao Network Co Ltd

    -Zhejiang Tmal Network Co Ltd

    -Alibaba Cloud Computing Ltd

    -Youku Information Technology Co Ltd

    These parts currently make less then 50% of total revenue.

    Final Thoughts

    I find it very ironic how many people post this wrong/incomplete information in an effort to educate investors but they actually do the opposite. It is possible that my information is also not correct. I am not an expert but I did my best to actually research this. The other folks that talk about this just repeat what they heard somewhere on youtube or on reddit.

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    [GOLD THREAD] Inflation Gooroos and Fiat Permabears Set Me Straight. What Gold Stocks Are Currently Tickling Your Fancy?

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 11:28 AM PDT

    The year is 2021 of our lord, the big inflation beast has been summoned by media gatekeepers and market pundits who so fervently aim to pronounce dead the run of our great bull economy.

    In such times of unsteadiness, my cash seeks sanctuary, so I ask thee.
    In the upcoming bear market where are you parking your money? Gold? Silver? Precious Metal Stocks?

    There are inflation resistant stocks that I'm paying close attention to:

    Newmont Corporation (NEM)

    • Newmont Corporation has recently announced that its board of directors has granted approval for advancing the Ahafo North Project into the execution phase. The project will add profitable production from the best unmined gold deposit in West Africa.
    • Newmont Corp. has declared a quarterly Dividend of $0.55 Per Share.

    Barrick Gold Corp (GOLD)

    • Barrick Gold has signed 4 contracts for gold exploration with Egyptian Government this year.
    • The company expects to deliver superior performance over the second half of the year as its financials should also take advantage of higher volumes.
    • They have also initiated improvements across operations in North America, Argentina and Tanzania which will drive the production of gold up.
    • For full-year 2021, the Toronto-based company forecasts it will dig up between 4.4 million to 4.7 million ounces of gold from its reserves, paying an all-in sustaining cost ranging between $940 and $1,020 per ounce of gold sold.

    Benchmark Metals (BNCHF)

    • Benchmark's flagship Lawyers Gold-Silver Project is one of the largest drill programs in Canada located within the Golden Horseshoe area of north-central British Columbia.
    • On May 14, 2021, the Company announced the Updated Mineral Resource Estimate that provided 2.1 million ounces ("Moz") grading 1.62 grams per tonne ("g/t") gold equivalent ("AuEq") of Indicated Mineral Resources and 821,000 ounces grading 1.58 g/t AuEq of Inferred Mineral Resources.
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    Risky stocks for potential big long term gains.

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 01:38 PM PDT

    I know this gets posted semi-frequently, but markets move fast and so this opinion is always changing. What are some stocks that you put a fraction of your investing money in that you know is risky, but are betting for long term potential? I'll list some of mine.

    Rover (ROVR): Just went public via a SP@C and is the dominator in the pet sitting market. Very strong upside emerging post-Covid with people going on vacations/returning to office. Lots of COVID adoptions for pets has expanded the Rover market tremendously.

    Proterra (PTRA): IPO'd this year. Manufacturer of electric buses with customers ranging from colleges and universities to National Parks to cities in the US for local transportation. Also breaking into the school bus and commercial vehicle markets.

    Corsair Gaming (CRSR): a company from my opinion (and the opinion of many analysts) is INCREDIBLY underrated. With gaming/streaming expecting to grow rapidly over the next few years, this company provides a lot of the equipment necessary for it.

    Coinbase (COIN): Crypto wallet with more uses than just buying and selling cryptocurrencies. I'm a big believer in Ethereum so I like the support for DEFI and Dapps.

    Array Technologies (ARRY): Develops the ground mounts necessary for solar panels to move with the sun to achieve max exposure and thus better efficiency. Offices across the Americas and Europe.

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    Lyft announces Q2 results; Revenue up 125% YOY

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 01:38 PM PDT

    Lyft, Inc. (LYFT) announced its second-quarter earnings after market close on Tuesday. Revenue grew to $765 million (up 125% YOY). Net loss significantly narrowed in Q2. Active riders also grew by 3.6 million to 17.14 million

    At the time of writing, Shares were up 6.3% ($58.93) during after hours on Tuesday.

    https://risingcandle.com/business/lyft-announces-q2-results-revenue-up-125-yoy/

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    Lumen Technologies Q2 Earnings- $0.46 EPS vs $0.43 expected, $7.5 Billion Telecom Sale to Apollo & $2.7 Billion Latin American Business Sale to Stonepeak

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 01:58 PM PDT

    https://s24.q4cdn.com/287068338/files/doc_financials/2021/q2/v2/Lumen-2Q21-Earnings-Press-Release-(1).pdf

    Second Quarter 2021 Highlights

    • Reported Net Income of $506 million for the second quarter 2021, compared to reported Net Income of $377 million for the second quarter 2020

    • Diluted EPS of $0.46 for the second quarter 2021, compared to $0.35 per share for the second quarter 2020. Excluding Special Items, Diluted EPS of $0.48 per share for the second quarter 2021, compared to $0.39 per share for the second quarter 2020

    • Generated Adjusted EBITDA of $2.109 billion for the second quarter 2021, compared to $2.135 billion for the second quarter 2020, excluding Special Items of $20 million and $50 million, respectively

    • Reported Net Cash Provided by Operating Activities of $1.639 billion for the second quarter 2021

    • Generated Free Cash Flow of $1.044 billion for the second quarter 2021, compared to $772 million, excluding cash paid for Special Items of $51 million and $32 million, respectively

    • Updated guidance for the full year 2021 for both capital expenditures and free cash flow

    Subsequent Events

    • Announced two significant divestiture transactions to accelerate investment in key growth areas

    • Board approved an up to $1 billion Stock Repurchase Program over two years

    My opinion(not part of earnings release)

    Overall seems great for the stock, which in my opinion was one of the best value stocks on the market. The proceeds from their divestures will make up over 70% of their current market cap as of market close, while they still own a lot of profitable assets in growth areas.

    My current positions: 624 Shares of LUMN

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    Best app/program to aggregate investment accounts?

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 04:45 PM PDT

    I have multiple investment accounts that I keep at separate brokers for different investing styles. I have used Mint before for an aggregate view but found the app much more focused on budgeting instead of investment tracking. Does anyone have personal experience with other apps/programs that are good for this purpose? Ideally would need to support options as well but majority of holdings are equities/funds.

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    Alibaba misses revenue estimates as e-commerce growth slows, regulatory crackdown persists

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 05:11 AM PDT

    (Reuters) -China's Alibaba Group Holding Ltd missed analyst estimates for first-quarter revenue on Tuesday, as its e-commerce business was hurt by rising competition from smaller players such as JD.Com Inc and Pinduoduo Inc.

    Alibaba's results mirror those of e-commerce giant Amazon.com Inc in the United States, as the easing of pandemic-related restrictions has led to more consumers visiting physical stores rather than ordering online.

    Core commerce revenue for Alibaba rose about 35% to 180.24 billion yuan in the quarter, compared with estimates of 184.23 billion yuan. In the fourth quarter, the unit's revenue was up more than 70%.

    Overall, revenue rose about 34% to 205.74 billion yuan ($31.83 billion) in the first quarter ended June 30, below estimates for 209.39 billion yuan, according to IBES data from Refinitiv.

    Net income attributable to shareholders rose to 45.14 billion yuan, compared with 47.59 billion yuan a year earlier.

    On an adjusted basis, the company earned 16.60 yuan per share, above estimates for 14.43 yuan.

    Ant Group, the fintech affiliate of Alibaba Group, recorded a profit of about 13.48 billion yuan in the quarter ended March, according to the Chinese e-commerce giant's filing.

    Alibaba, which holds about a third of Ant, posted a profit of 4.49 billion yuan for the quarter ended June 30 from its investments in the financial conglomerate.

    Revenue in Alibaba's cloud computing division grew 29% year-on-year, reaching 16.05 billion yuan ($2.49 billion)

    The results come amid an ongoing Chinese regulatory crackdown on industry, during which Alibaba has become one of the main targets.

    Late last year, regulators halted a planned $37 billion IPO of Ant Group in Shanghai and subsequently called for a restructuring of the financial unit.

    Later, in April, China's anti-monopoly regulator fined Alibaba $2.75 billion for engaging in anti-competitive practices.

    During an earnings call with investors, Alibaba CEO Daniel Zhang said the company would continue to monitor the impact of ongoing regulatory changes on the company's business.

    He cited a recent regulatory crackdown on community marketplace platforms letting sellers offer items below market price as one example of a sector the company is monitoring.

    "We are in the process of studying the regulatory requirements, evaluating the potential impacts on our relevant businesses and we will respond positively with actions," Zhang said.

    ($1 = 6.4628 Chinese yuan renminbi)

    (Reporting by Nivedita Balu in Bengaluru; Editing by Shounak Dasgupta and Bernadette Baum)

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/alibabas-quarterly-revenue-jumps-34-105858148.html

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    ABBV earnings - not great...

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 10:22 AM PDT

    I've seen a breakdown that ABBV's price based on EBITDA could be around $130. I am not in ABBV, yet...but think it'd be a nice buy around $112. I've watched it about 2 months and felt when it hit $118 it'd just revert to mean...and it's looking like it'll hit another $112 again for another buy opportunity.

    Except - the earnings.

    Does anyone have some insight on the meat-and-potatoes of the earnings? Is ABBV "in trouble" so to speak? A 0.9% surprise seems pretty dismal compared to other stocks that are performing even worse.

    ABBV has struggled to get to its fabled $130 potential, does the recent earnings spell a death knell?

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    Discovery's Q2 earnings more than double (130%)

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 05:31 AM PDT

    Discovery, Inc reported its financial results for the quarter ended June 30, 2021, with earnings more than doubling. Discovery now has17 million paying direct-to-consumer subscribers at the end of the quarter, and 18 million as of Tuesday.

    They reported a whopping 130% revenue growth in the second quarter.

    https://risingcandle.com/marketnews/discoverys-q2-earnings-more-than-double/

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    Do I want to own shares of SQ....

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 07:34 AM PDT

    I just can't evaluate companies like SQ or TSLA. SQ is on my short-list, but its PEG isn't amazing, its P/E is through the roof. So is TSLA, and TSLA has proved for seemingly years now - never short TSLA.

    SQ seems like a similar company but seems to me to be in an even better financial position than TSLA.

    So when looking for tech sector, future sector (we can dub it?), I compare SQ to AAPL and MSFT, both have done amazingly well recently while staying in traditional norms of P/E and PEG ratios and are more quantifiable.

    So what about SQ? Can someone who looks at these walk us through why to own SQ and not just buy MSFT? Is there real downside risk? Can the carpet be pulled out like GME and AMC which are obvious garbage?

    Or is SQ a solid company and it basically keeps the territory it takes?

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    Are MSFT and AAPL maxed out...

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 04:04 PM PDT

    A little dated but still a pertinent point: https://www.fool.com/investing/2021/03/13/better-buy-apple-vs-microsoft/

    Both AAPL and MSFT are now trading well above their usual P/E levels, and their PEGs sit them at "fairly priced" if you care about that indicator.

    So, has AAPL and MSFT both been priced-in for the foreseeable future and their gigantic growth is now done...any opinions bullish or bearish?

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    Gold stocks - hold or sell. Don't buy

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 01:17 PM PDT

    I've been interested in acquiring gold exposure - to do so I've wanted to invest in one of the leading Gold companies, NEM (Newmont).

    But, noticed that now is the worst time to buy. NEM is well correlated to the price of gold and so your best returns comes from when gold is low because then NEM is trading at a better price.

    Such a better price, in fact, that if you bought around the gold lows of 2014 - 2016, then NEM performed equally as well as Microsoft until mid-2020.

    Microsoft is one of my go-to's for benchmarking right now, but keep in mind that until 2018, MSFT was pretty boring. I haven't reviewed why it took off like it did but it is unmistakably one of the winners of the last decade for overall returns.

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    Is precious metal swapping an effective investment strategy ?

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 04:27 PM PDT

    So I just watched a video on an interesting investing strategy called precious metal swapping where the idea is you look at long term charts of the ratios of the five precious metals (gold, silver, platinum, palladium, and rhodium) compared to each other, and buy when the ratios are historically cheap then sell when they're historically overvalued (and then use those gains to buy another precious metal that's historically cheap).

    The video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOPMngisOEM&t=578s&ab_channel=FindingValueFinance, outlines a scenario where if you had started in 2000 and traded based off the ratios for the next 20 years, you would've made a 38.6% annualized return. This figure is skewed a bit high due to him not taking premiums when buying/selling precious metals into account, but surely the return would still be much higher than the S&P 500, right?

    I'm intrigued because it seems like a relatively low risk, high reward strategy, but it sounds too good to be true which is why I'm here asking people who are smarter than me about it. Thoughts?

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    Is Goldman Sachs a better return. MSFT/AAPL/GS

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 07:09 AM PDT

    I'm leaning toward GS because it has a few unique characteristics going for it. It's IV is good - on par with Tech, it's price is high which raises premium further, unlike AAPL and MSFT it isn't making giant runs which makes it harder to predict, and it also pays out ~2.3% dividend which acts like a keel to price fluctuation.

    Right now the annualized return for 15.9% in premiums on GS is at 0% chance of being assigned. I think Probability calculators are a bit wonky though so I look at the gamma weighted strikes and most of the weight is around 375 and 380 strikes, which means for a ~16% annualized return on bi-weeklies @ 387.50 you have a very high chance (even with the delta around 0.30) of not even getting assigned or getting assigned near a top that you can buy back in at or wait for a dip.

    MSFT is ~45% probability of assignment for 11.4% annualized return.

    AAPL is about the same (trading in tandem) and about 12.8% annualized return.

    So I think GS has a pretty strong, relatively risk free, money piñata that is largely unable to be seen unless you look at the options chains and the Greeks.

    Given their dividend payouts are small - MSFT and AAPL both have to make up an approximately 6% gap in return on their share price if you take the risk of ~45% assignment to earn the annualized rate of return on premiums mentioned above. And I think that may be do-able, by share price both AAPL and MSFT are juggernauts of return.

    But, then it comes down to if ones strategy should be to seek out ores of premium. And GS somehow seems to fall into a vein of gold.

    A bit about the sector differences. I think Tech is waning into a mature state for the supposed bull run of the fall-to-spring season. But, given the inflationary environment, banks are tee'd well for a stronger-than-average bull run.

    I've read differing opinions on why future rate hikes aren't raising the 10yr rate over the 2yr rate yet, and the argument I lean upon is the liquidity that a lot of big players are sitting on, they are still gobbling up the 2years driving their prices up relatively to 10year.

    When that changes, the banks positions (less so GS but it trades tandem) will be much stronger than it appears now.

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