Wantrepreneur Wednesday! - (February 28, 2018) Entrepreneur |
- Wantrepreneur Wednesday! - (February 28, 2018)
- Show and tell your side projects making $500+/month.
- Who’s juggling a side-hustle and a 9-5 job?
- (Without links) Tell your side projects making $500+/month.
- How did you decide what idea you would pursue?
- What digital products can you sell online? 101 ideas
- Many digital marketing, social media, & web dev agencies prey on entrepreneurs & startups...here are some tips to avoid getting burned on buying 3rd party marketing services.
- Advice for a young student wanting a side business
- Do you disclose to your current or future employer that you have a side-business or keep it under wraps?
- Revamped our website, looking for feedback
- Canadian company doing business in the US - Quick thoughts on this TLD question?
- This is what I have learned from charging 25K-50K+ upfront plus 10% rev share to setup people's Facebook ad campaigns..
- Professional clothing pictures for online store?
- Subreddit for buying/selling websites?
- How did you form your LLC - Single member? In home state? Registered agent?
- How do I boost my teams morale?
- Do you recommend to buy Gary Vee's book "Crushing It"?
- Starting a business in the legal cannabis industry. looking for advice on writing my essential business plan...
- After help naming my indie dev game studio
- Looking for a job FROM an entrepreneur
- Question about Instagram paid partnerships and ads
- Hey r/entrepreneur, I want to buy your site / side project / thing you've lost interest in.
- What are some things you wish you knew when you were younger
- what kind of business I can start helping women and children ?
- Trying To Create Booking/ Checkout Page For My Business's Website
Wantrepreneur Wednesday! - (February 28, 2018) Posted: 28 Feb 2018 05:07 AM PST Please use this thread to ask any wantrapreneur questions. We do this to not overflow the subreddit with wantrapreneur questions, so please try to limit the questions to this weekly thread. Since this thread can fill up quickly, consider sorting the comments by "new" (instead of "best" or "top") to see the newest posts. [link] [comments] |
Show and tell your side projects making $500+/month. Posted: 28 Feb 2018 07:27 AM PST So many people are building great side projects and I thought this post would help Inspire others so please share your side hustle, a link to what your project website and tell us a bit about it. If you're interested to see some successful side hustles, I wrote this post with 20 great projects making over $500 a month. http://craigcherlet.com/20-entrepreneurs-and-their-500month-side-projects/ [link] [comments] |
Who’s juggling a side-hustle and a 9-5 job? Posted: 27 Feb 2018 07:37 PM PST |
(Without links) Tell your side projects making $500+/month. Posted: 28 Feb 2018 11:24 AM PST Apparenly the mods allowed commenting again on the old post, so this thread is a bit redundant now. But I'll leave it up because the more the merrier [link] [comments] |
How did you decide what idea you would pursue? Posted: 28 Feb 2018 07:09 AM PST I know this is a vague question. Let me explain. I have always wanted to start my own business, I have read countless entrepreneurial books, listen to podcasts and spend much of my waking time thinking about it. The problem is I have no idea what my business would be. I am now 32 years old and have continued to climb the corporate ladder and work for the man. I have a wife and two kids that rely on me and it's a "risky" time to start something on my own, however, I know as I get older there will be even more risk. I don't want to look back when I'm 50 and beat myself up for not taking a step into the unknown. I'm really ready to take this chance on myself, but I'm struggling to find something realistic I can get excited about. Has anyone else had a similar experience? How did you finally settle on your current business and how is it working out for you? [link] [comments] |
What digital products can you sell online? 101 ideas Posted: 28 Feb 2018 08:22 AM PST Ok, a ton of us here have side hustles. And you know what's an incredible side hustle? Selling digital products. Not only are they nearly infinitely scalable, but you practically have no overhead costs to deal with. The problem is figuring out what to sell. I put together the master list - 101 digital product ideas that you can sell online. But I'm sure that there are more, so please, leave them in the comments and we can build the article up even more. [link] [comments] |
Posted: 27 Feb 2018 03:15 PM PST I'm an eCommerce growth consultant...basically I help coach eCommerce companies (including many startups) through early growth phases (its a mix of technical consulting, business coaching, digital marketing, design optimization, & biz dev ). While one part of my job is training clients on digital marketing/helping them run campaigns, I also help them analyze past campaigns, and when necessary source 3rd party marketing services I don't offer myself (for reasons I'll touch on below). Just wanted to post some things I tell all of my new clients as a PSA, since I see marketing professionals & ad sales people roping people into traps everywhere (including this sub). Eventually planning to turn this into a blog post, and I'm longwinded as is, so apologies for the length, but hopefully theres some helpful info. Contents The first part of this post highlights the problem of digital marketing & technical agencies, as well as people in digital advertising sales taking advantage of many companies. The second half of this post will go over one of the most common ways people get burned. And the third part is some ways to protect yourself when sourcing marketing services. The vast majority of my new clients all seem to have the same story. "I once hired a reputable, expensive digital marketing agency. I paid them thousands of dollars, and we barely had any results". Or "I paid COMPANY X to do an email blast for us. They said they usually get big numbers, but we only saw a few sales. Can you look at what they did and tell me what you think?". Or the most common, "I paid the company who made my website to run some Facebook & Adwords campaigns. I'm not entirely sure what they did, but it didn't really work" When I audit the company's past efforts, I'm often shocked at how terrible the work of many 3rd party agencies is. Sometimes reputable, highly paid agencies. I see incorrectly configured campaigns. Completely wrong analytics implementations . Improper tagging. No targeting. No site optimizations. No testing. Wrong keyword targets. Wrong SEO. Really no thought or creativity or personalization at all. Just shoddy, half-assed "cookie cutter" campaigns running people to un-optimized websites. A common part of my on-boarding process is breaking the news to clients that they're getting screwed by their SEO company...their adwords company...their email marketing company etc. Or telling them that the guy they've been paying to do their social media or blog writing who they were raving about, actually has no clue what they're doing. Or that their shiny new website they just paid a bunch of money to have built, is actually just a completely unoptimized generic template with a few words changed around...and they haven't been collecting correct analytics data for the last 6 months. And these agencies get away with it too, rarely getting called out. Sometimes the client even ends the partnership thinking they did a good job. Other times they keep the agreement going indefinitely. Why? Because many entrepreneurs (and even many mature businesses) aren't savvy enough about any of it to know how hard they're getting boned. They never fully understand if their marketing efforts were actually effective, or why. Many of them even believe their terrible marketing agency was doing a good job. They think the bad results is their own faults. Or that marketing channel just won't work for their business. And the agencies they hire don't do anything to teach them. Over-promising & under-delivering has become the norm among technical agencies across all channels. And they've gotten really good at it. The tactics are usually all pretty similar. They use technical terms you've never heard of. They show you the best examples from their portfolio. They publish blog posts and press releases that give them notoriety. They throw numbers at you that sound great, even though you don't really know what they mean. All to smokescreen the fact that they're selling you gold-painted shit. The Metrics Diversion There are many ways various marketing service providers hook clients and suck their money. But the most common trap I've seen startups fall into is what I call "The Metrics Diversion". Essentially, where a marketing provider will feed positive numbers that sound good, but don't actually matter for your goals, in order to make themselves appear more effective than they actually are. Digital marketing is rooted in metrics & analytics. Its about using objective numbers to figure out whats working and whats not. In the origins of web marketing, almost all companies & advertisers focused on the same set of metrics for analyzing the effectiveness of their efforts. In the early days, they looked mainly at stats like "views" and "clicks". They asked questions like Whats my "Click Through Rate?", whats my "Cost per Click", Whats my "View Rate"? How many "Unique Visitors" did we get? How many people viewed my video? How many people liked my page? These were the days of "Spray and Pray" advertising. You may remember the wild west of obnoxious Pop Ups at every click. Banner Ads everywhere. Spam "domain parking" pages. Email inboxes flooded with shit (with minimal control from email providers). Search engine results pages filled with garbage sites with crap content. Basically, anything to try to "trick" as many users as possible into landing on their pages. And to a degree, it worked back then. They didn't really dig into what those people were doing after they clicked an ad, or viewed a video, or read a blog post or email, or saw a pop up. They cared about getting the most amount of people to their sites for the least amount of money. Aside from the fact that marketers simply didn't have the targeting & analytics capabilities we have today, the way people have used the internet was much different back then. The internet was new & exciting. Online competition within industries was at a minimum. Social media was in its infancy. People were more curious, less informed, & far more gullible. The same cookie-cutter approaches worked for pretty much any company. But people have wised up, and so has the technology. Put frankly, people got sick of the shit they got bombarded with. They stopped clicking ads & started blocking them. They stopped opening spam emails. They pick and choose what content they see. They price shop and dig for reviews. They seek out quality content rather than just whatever is thrown at them. New school marketing philosophy has adapted to these changes, and takes a different approach. Rather than just looking at "superficial" metrics like views & clicks, we now have the technology to really dig in to how users are actually responding to marketing across the entire sales funnel. And we can target exactly the right people who actually might want to see what we're offering. Marketers finally learned that the quantity of the visitors to a page, isn't nearly as important as the quality of the visitor, and the page they're landing on. And they learned that if they don't provide valuable content, someone else will. So good marketers now focus on metrics like conversion rates, "Cost per conversion", time spent on page, bounce & exit rates, average video view times, Return on Ad Spend, Revenue per Customer, repeat customer rates etc. Its about answering questions like, How does this campaign fit the brand? How can I get this campaign in front of the right people while avoiding the wrong ones? How can I make my site more enjoyable for users? How much did that customer cost to acquire, and how do I get them to come back? New school digital marketing is about creating highly targeted, highly relevant content that integrates seamlessly into the user's internet experience. Its about using data to test, analyze, and optimize every part of your company's online presence. Rather than trying to force content into a users face, or trick them into landing on a page, its focused on providing a rewarding experience they'll come to on their own. The problem is, getting a person to your website or to click on an ad is easy. Getting the right person to your website, and convincing them to actually buy from you is difficult. New school marketing isn't easy. It requires a breadth of knowledge across many technical channels, a deep understanding of analytics (and how it integrates into technology), and the ability to fully customize a marketing mix for each client's needs. The cookie cutter approaches from years past don't produce results anymore. But lucky for marketing agencies, most of their clients don't know the difference between new school and old school marketing. So they get away peddling the same shit from 15 years ago. They use the same "cookie cutter" marketing approaches whether they work or not. And they waive the easy-to-attain metrics in front of your face, while avoiding the ones that matter....so you don't know any better. They'll send you reports that say, "We got you a 10% Click Through Rate, look how great we're doing", without telling you "Your conversion rate and return on ad spend are terrible". They'll say "Look at how many clicks we have on our adwords ads this month"…without mentioning they're targeting keywords that are driving people who don't actually want to buy from you. Advertising sales people will try to sell you on an email marketing blast saying "We have an email list of over 1 million subscribers - a 20% open rate, and a 10% click rate", without telling you the actual conversion rates on those ads are terrible, and those percentages were based on the best campaign they've ever run, not averages.. I've seen it time and time again. In the social media marketing world, this is rampant. I could write an entirely separate post on picking a social media agency or "person". Old school social media was focused on "follower counts", "page likes", "shares", etc. Companies still spend thousands trying to get more "likes" for their pages. But none of that means jack shit anymore (unless you're in the entertainment industry)…because social media algorithms will only let people see your content if you pay for it anyway. I can't tell you the number of times I've heard "we want to focus on building up our page likes & followers we do anything else on Facebook or instagram". Then once they get some likes, they sit there wondering why their posts aren't getting any traction. This isn't a problem isolated to entrepreneurs. Mature, multi-million dollar businesses fall into these traps too Are all of these agencies doing this maliciously? Not necessarily. Many of them are just stuck in the past, and don't have the capabilities to do better. They're making money doing what they're doing, and don't have reason to change. Others don't even realize the numbers they're looking at don't mean what they think they mean. As an entrepreneur, every dollar you spend counts. And you definitely don't want to waste time or money on ineffeffective marketing. This isn't an exhaustive list, and it varies depending on what sorts of services you're buying….but here are some general tips to avoid getting boned.
The "influencer" bubble is real right now. Almost as a rule you won't make back what you pay for these campaigns unless you do it in exactly the right way….and most people don't. To summarize, a sucker is born every day...don't be one of them. Do your research & get informed. Look for a reputable agency who doesn't seem like they're just trying to lock you into a long contract without results. Don't sign a long contract without a trial period or way out of it. Don't pay based on ad spend. Don't work with Black Hat marketers. Remember an SEO should be focused on creating content. Organic social media is dead. Don't pay for social media "influencer" campaigns. The agency itself should focus on quality-based metrics, rather than quantity. If they're small, they should only have a few clients. If they're big, they should make you feel important & give you personal attention. They should be specialized in their field. They should be creative & design oriented. They should be tech savvy and analytical. And most importantly, they should be willing & able to coach/guide you to fully understand exactly what they're doing. Anyways, hope that helps some of you guys out. If you have any questions about any of this I'm happy to explain further. [link] [comments] |
Advice for a young student wanting a side business Posted: 28 Feb 2018 10:46 AM PST I am 15 i am in high school and i play a lot of sports but i generally have at least a few hours a day of free time. I have about 1000$ id be willing to invest in things but am wondering what i could do. i have looked into things like drop shipping but it seems to be over-saturated. what would be a good business preferably online that i could start? [link] [comments] |
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Revamped our website, looking for feedback Posted: 28 Feb 2018 12:31 PM PST I spent the last month or so working on rebranding and I just finished the new website. Would love to hear your thoughts! Thanks for the help :) We're called The Gentlemen's Lounge and we hand-make premium quality luxury beard care products! [Link](www.thegentlemenslounge.co) [link] [comments] |
Canadian company doing business in the US - Quick thoughts on this TLD question? Posted: 28 Feb 2018 08:35 AM PST We're a Canadian marketing company but plan on expanding down to the US (initially through warm leads but eventually through cold outreach, and on track to open a branch in Florida) We can't get the .com for our URL because someone is squatting on it and wants an outrageous amount of money for it. We have the following TDLs: CompanyName.ca CompanyNameInc.com CompanyName.net Question: Given that we want to do the majority of our work with US clients (though keep some Canadian ones) is a .ca a bad move? Does it seem like spam to American's, especially via cold outreach? We like how much cleaner .ca looks. I've searched how ccTDLs effects Google rankings and we're not too worried about it. The main issue is should we go with the longer URL that's a .com because .ca will look off to American small business owners? We figured .net was the most spammy looking of all? [link] [comments] |
Posted: 28 Feb 2018 12:21 AM PST First off, charging more SAVES YOU MORE TIME! Your rate is your qualifier, if people know your rate or you immediately mention it at the beginning of a conversation as I now have learned to do, you avoid the "exploratory meetings" - people who talk to you know your time is valuable and respect it as so and only talk to you when they are ready for you. Second, you AVOID SCARCITY MENTALITY and clients that don't know your worth nor the merits of investment. Which if you charge 10K or less for your services you'll encounter a lot of entrepreneurs that expect the world for such a limited budget. They aren't happy with making 50K for 10K, because they themselves are likely either over confident in their own ability or are still growing out of the "shiny object" syndrome where 10K spent is 10K lost towards something that "could've made them a million dollars". Where as my clients, myself, and many of you would gladly shell out 10K every day if it mean you'd be making a 50K return. Third, you get A LOT more referrals! When you charge more and can deliver as I do, your clients will literally do your job of marketing for you in spreading the word. There are very few marketers that ACTUALLY GET RESULTS, and typically clients at that level know this or have experienced the growing pains of finding a good marketer so they appreciate you and show it in the form of referring their friends and others of caliber to you. Fourth, because you charge more it typically means that your clients have both the money and understanding to hire the RIGHT person to get the job done, so you don't have to work with amateurs or excuses. Since I do a lot of advertising, I work a lot with video guys and influencers, I don't want my clients hiring the video guy who charges 1K because it tells me he likely doesn't have the best equipment for the job, and does not have the time nor is in the right frame of mind to focus on the task at hand because 1K does not pay the bills, and going the extra mile with us to get the job done right endangers his ability to pay his bills. It's easier to deal with other professionals, but I am not saying I don't hire the up and comers, because I am frugal and I love building others up, however I won't take on an unnecessary risk of missing a deadline or objective, if I in anyway believe that they are not the right fit for the job. Fifth, your clients tend to be innovators and you are in a constant state of learning. As much as my clients learn from me, I learn from them. Some of my clients are truly changing the world, and it is an honor to help them accelerate that process. I also find that my clients at this level tend to become more friends than clients and I get to enjoy a lot unique life experiences and great conversation. Not just the normal conversation like "how's the weather" but conversation that makes you feel alive, like getting lost in talking about passions and how to help each other achieve each other's passions by connecting this person or that person or this resource or that resource or stumbling upon a game changing idea together that makes you feel like you're really alive. They also in many ways are masters of the work / life balance, something I find myself in need of mastering. Sixth, the most obvious is that you make more money, but not necessarily in the most obvious ways. Yes, you are charging more, which by definition makes you more money, but I have found that you also get brought in to do more than whatever you were hired for, for that business. While most people initially hire me for Facebook ads, that is not all I do, like for instance I have made millions alone just from cart abandonment techniques I employ for my clients. So one contract quickly turns into 3-4, or in many cases you may ultimately just end up managing their entire marketing arm of their business. Seventh, flexibility and freedom. This is hands down probably the most important out of all the different points above. Low budget clients can not afford to do research nor pursue the best possible ROI method. For instance, anyone who tells you Facebook ads is all you should be doing, should be punched in the face and kicked out the door. Every marketing medium works in tandem with the others, Search (Google / Bing / Yahoo) + Social (Facebook / Youtube / Pinterest / Twitter / Linkedin) are a match made in heaven, but did you know that you can increase your returns on all of those platforms and your SEO ranking from sending direct mail? Yes, the old and ugly antiquated direct mail, increases your brand recognition and people may see it and set it aside or throw it out but then remember you later and search patterns of the average person are to type in the company name instead of the domain which turns into a boost in organic traffic, more searches for your business, higher ranking. What about adding free samples to that direct mail or free samples via email to convert them into customers over the long game which takes 2-3 months? Small budget companies often can't do that at an effective or meaningful level. Larger budget companies mean more tools in your marketing arsenal, and less time spent arguing the importance of why they should be doing those things. So it might sound crazy that at 25, I charge 25K-50K upfront or higher plus percentages for my time, and am going to be increasing it my minimums soon, but the reality is this. Outside consultants are more effective than in house marketing teams, regardless of the industry. Why? Outside marketers, are bound by results. We are held at a higher standard, our roles strictly defined and accountable, and most of our business is via referral - reputation matters. Many companies are beginning to or have already realized this, and so have the skilled marketers. Why work for someone for 100K, when you can land one 10K a month contract, or 2 5K a month contracts, and make 120K a year living anywhere in the world, working a few hours a week/month with an unlimited income cap? Want to earn more? Take on another contract. Boom - pay raise! This is why company culture has become such an important topic as of late. It is hard to compete with the perk of unlimited upward potential, and retain your top talent unless you incentivize them in all the right ways ( money isn't the only way to motivate someone - DM me for ideas ). So when you decide to take your business to the next level, ask yourselves, which is a better business decision? Hiring an in-house salary employee with "years of experience" for 60K-100K, or hiring an outside consultant who's had to prove themselves in the market in order to justify their rate over time? Food for thought :) Thanks for reading, cheers! [link] [comments] |
Professional clothing pictures for online store? Posted: 28 Feb 2018 07:51 AM PST I have a client who has a website that they want to sell their merchandise on, mostly clothing. Does anyone know if a service that takes professional pictures of merchandise for online stores? The website is [Musicians Hall of Fame](www.musicianshalloffame.com) [link] [comments] |
Subreddit for buying/selling websites? Posted: 28 Feb 2018 07:44 AM PST Hiya entrepreneurs! Anyone know a good sub for website trading? I'm looking to buy a few more sites... already using the usual brokers (flippa blows donkeyass, empireflippers is pretty good.) So is there a good subreddit and I just suck at searching? Or anyone have some rev-positive sites they'd like to sell? [link] [comments] |
How did you form your LLC - Single member? In home state? Registered agent? Posted: 28 Feb 2018 08:27 AM PST I've read that single member LLCs don't protect you from lawsuits. That most states view them no different than sole proprietors meaning your home/car/savings are fair game if someone sues your business. How did everyone here setup their LLC? Did you use a state like Wyoming or Nevada? Did you do anything fancy or special to protect yourself from lawsuits? [link] [comments] |
How do I boost my teams morale? Posted: 28 Feb 2018 08:09 AM PST TLDR: I'm a part owner at this firm. Everyone is quitting and I'm trying to retain the staff I have currently. I am a partner with a recruiting firm. There were two owners initially, they split ways about 4 months ago. Ever since then, the morale in the office has tanked. Two of my top performers have left in the past few weeks. I'm left with two top sales guys and about 6 other people. As of late, the office morale has been horrible. No one seems to be working. I understand that some people may need some time to adjust to the change, but it should be business as usual. I've been trying to do some research on different team building exercises we could and I still haven't found anything that really jumps out at me. Currently we only work 38 hours a week, take Fridays off when we hit our goals and occasionally an employee appreciation day. I've suggested a team meeting without the owner and a few other things. What do you think would be beneficial for retention and morale? [link] [comments] |
Do you recommend to buy Gary Vee's book "Crushing It"? Posted: 28 Feb 2018 10:05 AM PST It has 5 stars on Amazon. I think I've never seen a product with a puntuation like this on Amazon. It's probably more like a self-help book for entrepreneurs But, if you have read it, would you recommend it to other entrepreneurs? [link] [comments] |
Posted: 28 Feb 2018 01:45 PM PST I'm in the process of starting a company in the legal medical cannabis market. I don't really have a lot of start up cash yet so I am looking into writing my business plan myself. Is it worth it to hire a writer or is DIY software a better option? My concern is paying for it to be written for me and having to pay for revisions if/when it doesn't meet my expectations or is incapable of being used for my application and investor presentations. Thanks! [link] [comments] |
After help naming my indie dev game studio Posted: 28 Feb 2018 01:40 PM PST For the last few years I have used my name as the developer/team name for my iOS games on the App Store. I've recently been working on a few new games and would like to change the name to give the games a studio feel. My ultimate goal is to create a memorable brand for my games and to make marketing them easier and more effective. [link] [comments] |
Looking for a job FROM an entrepreneur Posted: 28 Feb 2018 01:40 PM PST Hey everyone. College student here, majoring in Finance. Im looking for some work to do on my free time for a business. I'm proficient in assessing risk, financial modeling, debt evaluation as well as overall marketing and operating strategy. Ideally i'd like to be able to work from my laptop and just stay up to date with tasks assigned. I am a hard worker that will prove my value to your operation. [link] [comments] |
Question about Instagram paid partnerships and ads Posted: 28 Feb 2018 03:45 AM PST Sometimes influencers will make a post with a flair above it saying "paid partnership with X", or they will hashtag a post with #ad to show that it's paid advertisement for a business. My question is: how does this actually benefit the company? Isn't the whole point of using influencers to take advantage of the fact their followers are influenced by their opinions and decisions? If a post shows that it was paid, wouldn't that show the influencer does not have a genuine personal view of the product/service? It would easily be picked up by followers. Wouldn't it be better for the company to NOT show that the post was paid? [link] [comments] |
Hey r/entrepreneur, I want to buy your site / side project / thing you've lost interest in. Posted: 28 Feb 2018 01:24 PM PST Last time I posted this I got a great project and I met a great guy, I want to try it again I am interested mostly in infoproducts (selling videos, ebooks, courses) and SaaS at least 100 visitors per month, not interested in adsense, dropshiping or ecommerce selling physical products. The process will be very straight forward, I will review the Analytics of the site Profit and Losses statement, technology, we will review the revenue, if we agreend on a price we will do it via escrow.com or flippa, PM the info please. Thanks. [link] [comments] |
What are some things you wish you knew when you were younger Posted: 28 Feb 2018 01:24 PM PST I'm currently 20, and I was wondering what are the "mistakes" / things you learned the hard way. I want to limit my mistakes by learning from others. [link] [comments] |
what kind of business I can start helping women and children ? Posted: 28 Feb 2018 01:21 PM PST |
Trying To Create Booking/ Checkout Page For My Business's Website Posted: 28 Feb 2018 01:17 PM PST So I'm trying to create a booking/ checkout page on my website for my business that allows customers to schedule appointments and also bill them if they have appointments scheduled weekly, biweekly, etc. I also want to provide additional services too. I want to include this feature to make thing easy both for the customer and also myself so I don't have to chase people down to make payments. Here is an example of what I want to do here: https://www.ocgreenclean.com/book-house-cleaning/ Right now I'm using webs.com to help with my current website but I want to have something more professional and also has the booking feature that I showed. Do you guys have any website creation services you guys use/ know of that provides the feature? [link] [comments] |
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