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    Financial Independence Financial Goals For 2018


    Financial Goals For 2018

    Posted: 31 Dec 2017 06:12 AM PST

    I'm a firm believer in writing down goals and communicating them to people to hold yourself accountable. Maybe you are too, what are your financial goals for 2018?

    Mine: Net worth of 100k by EOY

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    2017 was a good year

    Posted: 31 Dec 2017 09:53 AM PST

    Since I can't share this with anyone in real life, I thought I would post it here.

    https://imgur.com/a/MjoIC

    Summary As of today (December 31, 2017), my net worth is just over $90k, which is more than double my net worth at this time last year. During 2017, I saved $49,000, or 79% of my base salary. This is attributable to the combined effect of (a) setting FIRE as a goal and getting serious about it and (b) strong market performance throughout the year.

    Background I started tracking my net worth in December 2013, just prior to starting my first job out of college. My initial net worth was $39 dollars. At my first job, I started at $16k working part time. Within three months I was moved to full time and my salary doubled. I continued working at that job until the middle of 2016, when I found a new job that paid $60k. When I left my first job, my salary was around $39k.

    Right now, my total comp including HSA contributions and bonus is around $70k. I have a side hustle which makes me around $10k a year, which puts my total comp at around $80k. I live in a low COL area, which allows me to live quite comfortably on $20-30k a year.

    I'm quite happy with how 2017 has turned out. I'm still a long way from FI, but it is starting to seem like an attainable goal and not just a dream. I'm looking forward to continuing the journey in 2018. Best of luck to you all in the new year!

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    I have to breathe a sigh of relief (anonymously)

    Posted: 31 Dec 2017 10:56 AM PST

    Throwaway account. I've had a very hard time recently at work -- I can't give specifics, but suffice to say, many things outside of my control, with no realistic chance of major change (trust me), have been putting me through the wringer. Like, trouble sleeping at night bad, bad upset stomach bad. Well, for the first time in a while, I'm breathing a sigh of relief. I have recently been the beneficiary of some family money -- I knew it was coming, but it finally hit.

    So, I just ran the family net worth #s. Using a reasonable estimate for home net worth as one of the inputs...ballpark of $2.9M, with about $2M of cash/taxable/retirement/kids' 529 accounts (yes, I count them in net worth). I've always been a saver and investor, and would have been fine long term without it (maybe not RE), but this family $$ put us over the top and has given me, my wife and kids a solid financial foundation and flexibility/options -- including likely RE at some point.

    I live in a very, very HCOL area and my kids are young, so I'm not going to be RE soon. However, with the family money, coupled with some more down the road as well, I am finally allowing myself to not worry so much, and -- dare I say it -- am FI (or at least Barista FI), and will keep working/saving but with a new, hopefully far less worried mindset. I am a professional and can't just phone it in a work, but I can also learn to shrug a bit when shit goes sideways, which given the nature of what I do, happens all the time. No more tossing and turning at night. At least that's the goal.

    As it happens, I'm also very, very close to vesting in an amazing retiree health benefit at work -- I don't want to give specifics, but suffice to say, it will solve the pre-medicare health care problem for a number of years, and given the nature of my employer, it will be around/paid (trust me).

    This one-two (positive) punch of the family money and being on the cusp of an incredible retirement benefit, has made me feel relieved and optimistic financially/professionally for the first time in a while. Like, I can make big changes, take some chances, etc., if I need to -- or want to. Figuring out what is next (and some health-related changes) is my New Year's Resolution.

    Feels good.

    Thanks for reading.

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    Daily FI discussion thread - December 31, 2017

    Posted: 31 Dec 2017 03:07 AM PST

    Please use this thread to have discussions which you don't feel warrant a new post to the sub. While the Rules for posting questions on the basics of personal finance/investing topics are relaxed a little bit here, the rules against memes/spam/self-promotion/excessive rudeness/politics still apply!

    Have a look at the FAQ for this subreddit before posting to see if your question is frequently asked.

    Since this post does tend to get busy, consider sorting the comments by "new" (instead of "best" or "top") to see the newest posts.

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    Update/2017 thoughts: 2 teachers in HCOL area, just passed $700k

    Posted: 31 Dec 2017 03:34 PM PST

    Hi again. You may remember my post from last year that summed up the FI journey that my husband and I have been on as two teachers in a HCOL area. Like many, we've had a bang-up year and I wanted to take the time to reflect and also offer some strategies we've employed this in 2017.

    But first, let's do the numbers:

    Household Income for 2017: $154k ($87k me, $67k husband)

    Household Expenses: $49k

    NW on 12/31/2016: $463k

    NW on 12/31/2017: $702k (...holy crap.)

    Now right off the bat, $67k of that came from the cashout that we did of my husband's pension. More on that below. $73k came from contributions to retirement and taxable accounts ($18k my 403(b), $18k husband's 403(b), $18k husband's 457, $11k to IRAs, $4k from my employer 403(b) contributions, and another $4k extra into our taxable account). The remaining ~$99k is all in gains. We're largely invested in VTSAX or similar funds.

    Several major events/decisions happened that altered the course of 2017 for us:

    • Two days after last year's post, Jim Collins announced the FI Chautauqua in the UK in August. The Ecuador Chautauquas are usually in October, so this was finally an opportunity that we could take advantage of as teachers. We had the cash on hand, so we decided to quickly pull the trigger and register.
    • By April, we knew that my husband's job had become completely untenable. He decided that he would not be returning for the following school year. We didn't know what would be next, but we had time to figure it out.
    • We did our usual traveling during the summer, which got boosted since the Chautauqua was added after we already had two other trips planned. We spent a week in Chicago, and then 2 weeks in Northern California doing San Francisco, Napa, Tahoe, Kings Canyon, and Yosemite (we hiked Half Dome!). Then the Chautauqua was an amazing time in London and other parts of the UK, with a stop in Madrid on the way home. All of this was funded through either travel hacking ($4.5k in value) or extra side gigs that we took on in the winter/spring ($7k, most of which went to the Chautauqua). This is not included in the annual expenses above.
    • The Chautauqua was flat out amazing, and it couldn't have come at a better time for us. We're in the "boring" middle part of our FI journey, and the new twist of husband's job uncertainty had us primed for new perspectives and conversations. We were lucky enough to have 1-on-1 conversations with Jim Collins (takeaway: further nuts-and-bolts optimization), the Mad Fientist (takeaway: how can you start living aspects of your "FI Life" NOW, instead of waiting to hit the number?), and Vicki Robin (takeaway: husband needs time to reevaluate his career? Now's a great time to have a kid and make good use of time off! lol.). Those conversations really got us thinking, but the most valuable part of the week was the conversations and relationships we built with the other attendees. Being able to openly and socially talk about FI with other people IN PERSON is very very liberating. We made some amazing friends and even went back to visit for a weekend in London earlier this December.
    • In the middle of Chautauqua, husband got contacted about two different part time teaching positions. They were both very small (1 and 1.5 days per week, respectively), but it wound up that the schedules were compatible and he was offered both. So he's been working part time since the beginning of the school year, and his advanced status on the experience/education scale means that he's still making ~$40k for just 2.5 days/week. He's no longer eligible for the state pension program, so we cash that out and now contribute almost his entire salary to the 403(b) and 457 that he's still eligible for. He also started doing a lot of local volunteering with the leftover time in his week.
    • Husband's scaled-back work schedule also came in handy this fall as I got knocked completely out of commission by the first trimester… of my pregnancy :). We're due in May, and have a lot to still decide about next school year. I will plan to go back full-time in the fall, but we're not sure whether husband will continue to teach part time and we put our little tax deduction in daycare, or if we want him to step back entirely and stay at home full time. TBD, and we have time to decide! Without a doubt, the best gift that our FI work has given us is flexibility, freedom, and choices as we make decisions about our baby. Money is of course a consideration, but we feel amazingly privileged to have as many options as we do.

    Additional thoughts...

    Many people in last year's post were flabbergasted at the salaries that my husband and I pull in as teachers. To paraphrase many of the points that I made in the comments: YES, I realize that these are not "normal" teacher salaries. However, this is not on accident, and we worked diligently to find positions over the last 12 years of our careers that paid well and have given us good job satisfaction. It's an incredibly hard balance to strike, and I'm happy to discuss more if other teachers have questions. Between the two of us, we've taught in 12 districts/schools in four states (public, parochial, and independent schools), ranging from ages K-college. For both of us, leveraging graduate and post-graduate education has been huge (there are cheap ways to do this!). My first year out of college, I was paid $40k, the following year in a Catholic school, it was $26k. There's no way that we could have made the FI strides that we have without increasing our incomes, so that's what we did.

    One fun juxtaposition from this year, from two of my husband's friends. Friend #1 lives far away, and from what my husband has shared with him about FI, he is convinced that we're "depriving" ourselves. This friend pays for 2-3 artisan coffees each day and carries a ton of CC and student debt. Friend #2 also knows about FI (but not our NW), lives locally and told us that he refers to us as his "rich friends" because of the city we live in, how we travel, and the fact that we have season tickets to the Celtics and Red Sox. Funny how different people pick and choose what to "see" in the FI lifestyle :)

    TL;DR: holy crap 2017 markets/teaching is hard/don't put off "living" for when you're FI/find your FI community/I got knocked up/looking forward to 2018!

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    Municipal Bond Investing vs Paying Off Mortgage???

    Posted: 31 Dec 2017 01:50 PM PST

    My wife and I have sat down to discuss paying off our home early. However, we recently discovered municipal bonds and figured investing in them would be much more beneficial. Here are our stats...

    Current Mortgage: $400,000 Mortgage Payment: $1,945 Taxes & Insurance: $600

    We planned to contribute all of our extra money towards the principal of our mortgage but also calculated we could contribute $75,000 a year towards this municipal bond ladder we have created. It should be fully funded in approximately 6 years.

    Here is where things get tricky. If we plow all of our money into our home it is now a SUNK COST which generates no monthly income unless we choose to move and rent it out. Additionally we still have to pay $7,200 annually in taxes & insurance

    Conversely with the municipal bond fund ladder we have created it would generate TAX FREE monthly income for our lifetime.

    Here is our planned Municipal Bond Ladder...

    IIM - $100,000 @ 4.99% = $4,990 NVG - $100,000 @ 5.63% = $5,630 NEA - $100,000 @ 5.06% = $5,060 VGM - $100,000 @ 5.79% = $5,790

    Annual Tax Free Income = $21,470

    Can you please try to sharp shoot our plan and point out any factors we might not be considering? We really appreciate it and hope you have a Happy New Year!

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    2017 in Review

    Posted: 31 Dec 2017 02:57 PM PST

    Since my last post, lots of life developments.

    Summary

    Here are the results from 2017. All numbers converted into USD (badly). I'm working across four currencies and I changed from hardcoded FX rates to data pulls halfway through the year.

    My financial statements are a bit messed up, but make sense to me - I tried to merge cashflow with income statements, so some things that are listed as expenses in green, actual accumulate to my networth, while expenses in red are actual expenses.

    I seem to have lost 15k+ somewhere in the year (my projected capital increase is less than my actual change in net worth. I suspect that some of that is travel, and some of that is me being stupid. I'll do a better job next year)

    Life Changes:

    1. I went to grad school. The educational value was close to nil (the value of the education was much less than the CFA, and I'm very much against taking the CFA for any competent professional in our field), and the experience was very taxing on my liver. Nonetheless, I met some great people, and the networking opportunities were amazing. However, the cost of grad school, and multiple flights between Asia and North America basically took out an entire year of income (I was working full-time throughout the program)

    2. I've settled into living in Hong Kong. Hong Kong is a city-state of extremes: You can live for $1k a month, or you can live for $50k a month. I've been trying to calibrate where I fit along that scale. I've lived with roommates in a three bedroom rundown condo, I've moved into 150 sqft. studio that basically had room for a desk and a bed. I've moved into a 1 bedroom furnished serviced apartments with cleaning, linens everyday. In the new year, I'm moving into something similar to a college dorm in a slightly out of the way area. The commute will be no longer than 20 minutes, but I'll end up saving at least $2.2k USD a month on rent.

    3. I got a new role within my company. I was frustrated and angry about the lack of leadership and how I had to step up to take care of my teammates and other colleagues and wasn't recognized for it, so they decided to make it formal.

    4. I've made some good investments and some stupid investments. Unfortunately, none of the stupid ones were in crypto. I bought into a private REIT. That has ended up being a fairly uneventful, and thus good investment. I clip my coupon each month. They send me a quarterly report. Life is good, so far. I also bought into some student housing with some partners. This has been a disaster. While on paper, the yield looked good, the amount of headache and hand-holding that students need is incredible. I'm tempted to write it down to zero and forget about it completely. I also bought into another preconstruction condo several buildings down from my original one. I keep my condos on the books at acquisition value (can't accurately determine market value, because I like fairly unique properties), but I probably overpaid for the new one. Time will tell. I think I'll slow down on the real estate investments, and be a bit more opportunistic (i.e. real estate market crashes, and once in a lifetime properties come up for sale)

    Goals for 2018:

    • Pay down non-mortgage debt completely (should be done by Feb). All my loans are fairly low interest (1-4%), so I've been using them when i find good opportunities to enter into investments
    • Raise savings rate from 81% to 85%. (This should be fairly easy, since I doubled my income, and while my rent expense has gone up, the rest should stay fairly stable)
    • Fewer stupid investments (I believe everything is overvalued, unfortunately, that doesn't leave too many reasonable investments. I do expect something to start blowing up this year, so I'm planning to keep 25% of invest-able savings in cash to seize any opportunities that come up.) Other than that, probably 75% in index etfs.
    • Live a little - Last year, I was incredibly focused on savings and increasing my income. While I met those goals, it was a fairly miserable year. I'm planning to do a bit more travel.
    • Cross 50% of the way to FI. While I cannot predict market performance, my accumulation rate is much higher than I expect any change in my portfolio to be worth. If things go as expected, I should be crossing the 50% mark Oct-Nov of 2018.

    FI Milestones: [x]: Positive Net Worth

    [x]: Positive Net Worth (Minus Mortgage + Property)

    [x]: Zero Consumer Debt (Non Mortgage/Investment Debt)

    [x]: 1 annual expenses saved (approx 35k)

    [x]: 2 annual expenses saved (approx 70k)

    [x]: 3 annual expenses saved (approx 105k)

    [x]: 5 annual expenses saved (approx 175k)

    []: 1/8 desired annual income saved (approx 250k)

    []: 8 annual expenses saved (approx 280k)

    []: 13 annual expenses saved (approx 455k)

    []: 1/4 desired annual income saved (approx 500k)

    []: 21 annual expenses saved (approx 755k)

    []: 1/2 desired annual income saved (approx 1000k)

    []: 30 annual expenses saved (approx 1050k)

    []: 3/4 desired annual income saved (approx 1500k)

    []: 1 desired annual income saved (approx 2000k)

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    What is your rational for giving a lot of money to your kids?

    Posted: 31 Dec 2017 01:20 PM PST

    I have two young kids and I'm debating about giving a lot of money to them when I pass on. A lot of the advice I've heard is mildly against the idea of passing on a lot of wealth to kids but I want to hear the counter-perspective on this.

    The most common advice says to be careful giving a lot of money to heirs because it can become a huge burden especially if they are unprepared for it. Additionally, there is Buffett's advise of giving enough so they can do anything but not enough so they can do nothing.

    That said, does anyone here have any unique or radically different perspective that is pro intergenerational wealth transfer?

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    Happy New Year FI-RE'ers!!

    Posted: 31 Dec 2017 12:17 PM PST

    Wishing everyone a glorious evening before the fresh new start on Jan 1. May the New Year bring us happiness, good health, excellent returns and the strength to enjoy them wisely ;-). I'm grateful for the good ideas we share here and hope the path to FI continues for us all...

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    Graduating college in the spring, big pay increase. Advice?

    Posted: 31 Dec 2017 03:32 PM PST

    I will be graduating in Maryland as a teacher in the spring, and going from less than 10K a year to about 48K+ a year. I want to move up in life as a principle as so on down the road, but how do I go from living paycheck to paycheck to this? I will be getting heath insurance through my work, but don't know my 401k benefits or college tuition payoff options until I sign a contract come may.

    I espically want to invest and have money that is accumulating year after year (Roth ira?) But have only been skimming this sub for a few years.

    I would love to retire early and work as an independent researcher in the world of education, but not have to sign my life away to someone in pursuit of money, simply research how I want.

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    What activity do you budget a lot of money on per month that most other people probably don't?

    Posted: 30 Dec 2017 07:59 PM PST

    I'm considering spending upwards of $300/month on a gym membership here in NYC (cleaner, has pool/basketball courts, etc) because I go 5-6 times a week to the gym. The frugal part of me can't justify it (paying less for a gym would certainly be better for FI goals), though it certainly fits within my entire "budget".

    Just curious about other people!

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    Just found out that I had saved 43% of my total income this year. Unsure if that is good or if I should be doing more.

    Posted: 31 Dec 2017 11:36 AM PST

    Chart for my income vs. outcome during 2017.

    I update this chart every single month since January. It is where I track all (well, at least 95%) of my spendings, categorized by type, sorted by date, and further information related to spendings.

    Today I closed the 2017 chart, and it's official: I was able to save 43% of my total income, and found out my spendings are pretty much going all to the same places: food, education (I'm paying for college), rent, and other housing costs. Only a small percentage is leisure, travel and stuff I eventually buy for myself.

    But I cannot shake the feel that I should (our at least could) be doing more. Am I demanding too much of myself? Is that good savings? Should I allow myself to spend a little bit more? If it matters, I am a 26yo Male, employed and living by myself.

    Edit: The previous chart was missing December.

    tl;dr: Saved 43% of my total income this year. Unsure if that is a good result or not.

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    Investing advice

    Posted: 31 Dec 2017 02:45 PM PST

    Background:

    150k annual income 150k in savings and 50k in 401k All debt paid off Employer 50% 401k matching Rent, car and other expenses come out to about 2000 a month

    I am currently maxing out the 401k match and I'm wondering what the best approach is to start investing my savings. Many have suggested to me to just invest in total market ETFs which I have started doing. I created a Robinhood account and invested 5k in VTI and SCHB. My question, should I just keep doing this for the rest of my savings ( aside from an emergency fund of course ) or is there a better approach when investing a larger amount?

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    Semi-FIRE, paying only some expenses from savings

    Posted: 31 Dec 2017 08:48 AM PST

    I make enough to pay for my expenses from my rental income, but I'd like to pay some regular expenses from my savings.

    I'm trying to determine the best candidates for payments from my portfolio of stocks and bonds.

    I'd like to pay recurring expenses that are business expenses or tax deductible from my savings, i.e. property taxes, HOA fees for rentals, rental insurance.

    Does this seem stupid or prudent? If you're making some income in FIRE, do you pay certain expenses from savings? If so what strategies have you developed?

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    Thoughts on FIRE with foreseeable elderly care (parents)

    Posted: 30 Dec 2017 10:34 PM PST

    DINK here. My parents are cared for by my sister and brother (bless them). My wife's mom is healthy but her dad has suffered multiple heart attacks. His heart is really weak as a result.

    We're on the journey to FIRE but this is something we need to account for - the possibility of having to care for our loved ones. I'm not sure if anyone is in the same boat. If so, how are you doing it? If not, what would you recommend? Would you just add more spending into the calculator?

    Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks.

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    Personal Development and training for your hobbies

    Posted: 30 Dec 2017 05:34 PM PST

    Hi All,

    Wondering whether any of you RE folk set aside some money specifically to learn new hobbies and skills after retiring. I'm really interested in knife making and woodworking and think it would be super beneficial to do some courses or actually gain a trade in them and just work for myself.

    Do many folks do the slog at high paying jobs and becoming fi to change careers and pursue lesser paying passions?

    I'm mostly interested from a non commercial stand point so just asking for interest.

    Thanks! :)

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    I'm a recent graduate 3 months into his career. Advice?

    Posted: 31 Dec 2017 11:26 AM PST

    23M

    Unmarried

    No kids or roommates

    Rent an apartment in NY close to CT

    67.5K Gross Annual Income

    $1000 to my name right now (just paid rent, utilities, and student loans)

    20K student loan debt. 22K original (3-4% interest on 18K. 6.8% on 2K). I've been paying down an extra $500/month on the 6.8% loan for 2 months. About $220/month minimum.

    Rent, Utilities, Internet: ~$1500/month

    Food: I mainly eat Soylent, which is about $390/month. Total $430/month

    Transport: Bike to work which is about 3/4 mile away.

    Recreation/Entertainment: BJJ and Muay Thai ($75/month). Misc: $150/month

    Employer matches 75% of first 6% of 401K. I did the full match. Also has option to buy company stock at (I believe) 5% discount. Comes with full health/dental/vision/disability insurance.

    Ordered first credit card 2 months ago. Getting a second in 2018. Both Chase.

    What advice do you have for starting towards FI? Where do I invest?

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    Please critique

    Posted: 30 Dec 2017 06:47 PM PST

    35m. Married w/6kids. Wife is stay at home mom/homeschools kids. See budget below...

    Gross wages. 4570

    Gross rents. 1600

    Va 10% pension. 133

    Occasional overtime

    Credit card cash back(have never paid cc interest)

    Mortgage 2272.95 (owner occupied 2 family) P&i 1537.48 taxes 735.47

    Electric 120

    Electric (common areas) 12

    Gas heat 75

    Water (home)45

    Water (tenant)45

    Sewer 45

    Trash 45

    Comcast 50

    Netflix 10

    Amazon prime 9

    Mobile phone 35

    Groceries 365

    Toiletries/cleaning products
    Home maintenance

    Auto gas 300

    Auto insurance 33

    Aaa 7

    Registry fees 15

    Auto inspection 6

    Excise tax 14

    Maintenance/repair (vehicles) 50

    Life insurance 38

    Savings 50

    Savings/investments:

    Federal employee with potential for small pension at 57

    Tsp(aka401k) 10% w/5% match,allocation 100% c fund (comparable to s&p index)

    Roth IRA (vanguard vtsax) maxed/yr 2nd Roth IRA (vanguard vtsax) 4100/yr

    Emergency fund (ibonds) 20k Rental property cash reserve (ibonds) 25k

    Home equity. 85,678

    Only debt is mortgage.

    Want to retire early.

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